Roman Catholic
Lies and Insincerity
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Roman Catholic Hypocrisy
What this cult says and does |
Why this is Bad |
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To doubt what God has revealed is to call God a
liar. It’s a sin when it happens
wilfully.
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To doubt is to think you might be wrong. If you won’t let yourself doubt that shows that you have a neurosis and are mentally ill about religion and are afraid of the truth. If you really believed, you wouldn’t be afraid of the truth or afraid of doubt. To doubt what God has revealed is not to call God a liar for God being God cannot lie but to wonder if he really revealed it. The Church doesn’t want you to know if it made up its doctrines while pretending they were from God. Banning doubt is necessary if you want power over others through religion.
To suggest you know or believe God cannot lie and that you would be able to doubt his veracity is ridiculous. |
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The Church likes to have nobody saying anything
critical about it |
To let dishonesty like that thrive would be
criminal. The notion some have that we
should criticise everything we want to except religion is ludicrous for
religion tries to make people afraid to think for themselves unlike
everything else so it should be criticised more than anything |
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Though we can do good works without God inspiring
them and helping us to do them, only good works done with the help of God
(grace) are efficacious for salvation.
God even helps us obtain the gift of faith which is why we describe it
as a supernatural gift from God enabling us to believe all he has revealed to
his Church |
Anybody can have a feeling or thought or
inspiration and imagine it is from God.
Student priests are certain that God has given them the grace of a
vocation to the priesthood and the next time you look they are convinced they
were wrong! To say that God is
inspiring your thoughts and feelings when you know day by day you could be
inspiring them yourself is total dishonesty and arrogance. It is the stuff out of which madness is
made. It is not God these people are
reaching out to, it is what they want God to be. It’s idolatry.
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Christ founded one, holy, Catholic and apostolic
Church which is one in faith |
Two people believing the same thing does not make
them one in faith. John and Mary
believe that Jesus rose again. John
believes because he feels it. Mary
believes it because she mistakenly thinks all scholars believe in it. They only share a conclusion but not the
faith. John trusts his own feelings
and Mary trusts the scholars or what she thinks they teach. John and Mary are not one in faith or
trust. They are inventing their faith
and nobody agrees on why they believe.
Each person invents a faith anew for themselves that just happens to
look like the faith of others. This is
proven from the fact that it is not evidence that causes faith for few agree
on the evidence and it is only interpretation based on what they wish to
believe. They say faith is God showing
them the truth but we know from the previous discussion that they know and we
know this isn’t true. It is really
what they guess and feel God is telling them that causes
their faith not evidence or God. It’s
of human origin. If it wasn’t believers would believe for the same reasons
for God would be helping them see what the evidence actually says. There is
no real faith without evidence and you know you cannot truly believe that
John stole the cashbox unless you have evidence that it must have been him
and nobody else. The faith and faith
content each person chooses is just a random selection. It only coincides with what others believe
for the sake of handiness or of fitting in with the crowd or because they
happened to have had the same tastes.
The Christian has no right to take his faith seriously. Bigotry is at the root of it when he
does. He may do nice sweet ecumenical
things but the basic attitude is still bigoted. |
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There is no faith without evidence for faith is
accepting that the evidence says something is likely to be true. As scripture says faith is the evidence of
things unseen (Hebrews 11:1). |
But nearly every religion claims that reason and
miracles support its teaching and the Church only pays attention to miracles
that say what it wants to hear. For
example, UFO miracles, spiritualist miracles, and even most Catholic miracle
claims are all dismissed without even being investigated decently or at
all! It does not believe in miracles
it only uses them to bait converts.
There is no evidence so there can be no faith. It is just feeling when it is not
faith. |
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We proclaim the message of Christ in its fullness |
You hide nearly all of your nastiest doctrines in
books that few read to fool your sheep who then think you are great for you
hide your true colours. Jesus talked a
lot about Hell in the gospels, he told the Pharisees
and scribes exactly what he thought of them and the apostles did the
same. Yet you go about all sweetness
and light. For example, how many
Catholics know that oral sex is a sin and that Christ taught that exorcism
should be performed often for demonic possession is very common (Matthew
12:45) or that saints were canonised in the past because of the extreme
torments they inflicted on themselves?
Even your own complain at your preferring popularity over teaching
what your God says must be taught.
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Welcoming people to the sacraments and Communion
(the sacrament of unity with God and with one another!) who haven’t made peace with others |
Jesus said that if you offer something to God make
amends to your brother first and a promise to do that isn’t good enough
(Matthew 5:23,24).
The Church totally ignores the command of Jesus that a sinner who
wouldn’t repent and who got a few warnings must be ostracised and expelled
from the Church if he or she ignores a warning from the Church. He didn’t say what kind of sin but just “if
you have something against your brother”, so he certainly wanted adulterers
and homosexuals barred. Also Paul the
apostle wrote that sex outside marriage is a sin against the Holy Spirit for
unlike other sins it is a sin against the body which is his Temple (1 Corinthians
6:13-20). This implies that such a sin
is the worst sin of all and sanctions bigotry against people who are sexually
liberated so no wonder Paul put a curse and an excommunication on a man
living with woman in Corinth in the hope that Satan would torment him (1
Corinthians 5). The Church spent
nearly all of its existence persecuting and stirring up hatred against others
and heretics so it must have been hypocritical all that time. Before Vatican II you wouldn’t let
Catholics attend Protestant funerals! |
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The sacrament of the sick forgives the sins of the
dying and saves them from everlasting damnation in Hell |
Such is the fear of dying without a priest among
Catholics that we can be sure that this doctrine has killed many who found
themselves in a serious car accident through sheer fear and made their
suffering worse for no priest was available or could make it quickly
enough. No caring parent would teach
their child that Catholicism is true.
This faith puts faith before people. |
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Encouraging Mortal Sinners to praise God and pray
and come to Mass |
Unrepented mortal sin is rejecting a relationship
with God so how can this be sincere?
Mortal sin rejects God and so it rejects his people too. They might be accepted as friends but they
are rejected in so far as they are his people. So the Church wants sinners to become
hypocrites and claims that this is good!
What kind of conversion will result from such hypocrisy? Why should such converts be believed when
they say they repent? They went to
Mass to fellowship with people who they reject as brethren in God! |
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Saying that God is good and will do what is right
but that we must pray |
Prayer does not change God for he does what he
sees is best and we don’t always get what we ask
for. It does not change us either
because what we need to change is our bad attitudes. If prayer helps us change our attitudes,
then it is us that changed them not prayer for prayer is not necessary for
that. Many people are happy without
prayer. If atheism didn’t make people
happy it wouldn’t have any followers.
People can pray in vain for years to be delivered from feelings of
depression and hatred. It follows that
prayer in itself is useless and so is God.
Many people have got false comfort from prayer and have ended up worse
off. God didn’t cause this comfort so
the idea that God comforts you in prayer is promoting self-deception. Modern psychologists and therapists have
changed many lives without advocating prayer while people praying day and
night still haven’t improved much.
There is nothing better than a person who has made themselves into an
improved version of themselves. They
might enjoin psychiatrists and counsellors but they use them to help
themselves. Religion by insisting on
prayer and fellowship with God to change you wants you to think that the end
result when you change yourself for the better has little to do with
you. It’s
evil and not the way to proper satisfaction with your achievements. |
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The sacraments have the power to make us holy and
cure our sinful inclinations |
They don’t work too well. People that don’t get them are often better
than those who do. Priests are just
spiritual quacks.
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Disobeying the moral teaching of the Church leads
to much suffering |
You assume that contraception is bad and that
divorce is bad to give two out of several possible examples. You then look for the bad effects and
condemn them to people for having these effects. What you are really doing is forgetting or
obscuring the good. You are making it
look like you condemn them for the bad effects while even if the bad effects
didn’t happen you would still be condemning for they are not the reason you
are condemning at all. If they were,
you would be looking at the effects and then deciding rather than assuming
they are wrong and then trying to bend the evidence to back you up.
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The Church is infallible and never changes its
doctrine |
Then why do you embrace ecumenism since Vatican II
while the popes and councils rejected all ecumenism before then? Ecumenism is either each religion coming
together to work towards becoming one Church and each one wants itself to be
that Church or it is religions agreeing to differ and be separate but friends
categorising one religion as good for salvation as another. Either interpretation denies the Catholic
claim that it is the one true Church. |
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The Church says that there has been no revelation
since the apostles died and that Catholics must believe this to be Catholics. Yet she claims to be infallible but says
this infallibility is not revelation or inspiration but just protection from
error. |
God must be revealing new things to stop the
Church making errors. Infallibility is
claiming new revelation and the Church knows it. Infallibility the main doctrine of the
Church contradicts itself.
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We believe in venial sin, sin that does not reject
a relationship with God but which just damages it |
God is good without limit so he hates evil without
limit so he finds all sin hateful without limit so venial sin cannot exist
when it is that offensive.
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Capital punishment should only happen very rarely
for even today there is so much corruption and innocent people could be
executed on trumped up charges |
The God you say wrote the Bible commanded it for
nearly everything in the Old Testament and then in a day when guilt was not
as easily or surely proved as today and God left a nation who he said was
disobedient and stubborn and inclined excessively to evil to administer it –
a corrupt nation! |
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We are obligated to accept the Bible as the word
of God for he is its author |
But you know it contradicts itself and only to
read it is to see how silly it is. For
example, Jesus said that he couldn’t be using the Devil to cast out demons
for if Satan did that he would have no kingdom as if Satan needed to possess
people to have a kingdom! (Mark 3:24).
The gospel claim that the Pharisees and scribes who had been planning
to get rid of Jesus for years used false witnesses who could not get their
stories straight to convict him is totally absurd for they had plenty of time
to plan it well and coaching isn’t difficult.
It’s a damn lie. |
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God commands that babies be baptised which makes
them members of his Church and obligated to learn the true faith |
Nobody has the right to indoctrinate vulnerable
children. They can be taught right and
wrong and what consoles them without Roman Catholicism. They should get a broad non-dogmatic
instruction and helped to find what spirituality or non-spirituality works
for them. Such conditioning as
required by the Catholic God is child abuse.
It gives the faith an unfair advantage and causes bigotry because the
children know nothing else |
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God feeds us with his body and blood at Mass, but
you cannot receive if you are guilty of serious sin that you haven’t repented |
You say it is the power of God that changes the
person so what do we need to eat his body and drink his blood for? This is magic not religion. God taught in the Old Testament that pagans praying to idols was silly for the idols couldn’t
protect themselves from harm and the Catholics worship vulnerable bread that
is thrown out when it gets stale as God!
Jesus said that to be sure you are really genuinely good, you must
pray in secret and do good discreetly and here we
see a rite that contradicts this. In
the parable of the Pharisee and the |Publican, Jesus said God rejected the
Pharisee for he thanked God that he was better than the publican. The Pharisee wasn’t claiming to be perfect
for if he was there would have been nothing to thank God for. The message of Jesus is clear that going to
communion is acting like the Pharisee.
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God is not a God of confusion (1 Corinthians
14:33) |
Then why is nothing about your religion
simple? If you have to prove for
example that there is nothing stopping any intelligent and careful person
from believing in the divine origin of the papacy, to choose one of several
possible examples, it takes you books and books to prove it. And even then most scholars laugh at your
efforts. If the pope really is the
rock the Church is built on that will be plain and all that effort wouldn’t
be necessary. Occam’s Razor says that
it is only deceit that requires too much effort to make it look
plausible. Its only a religion that is
simple and straightforward that can be Catholic that is intended to suit
everybody including the questioner who is not very theologically
literate |
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The Church does many good works |
The evil man does some good as he does evil for he
sees that evil is good under the circumstances. We do not praise good that involves harm
but we condemn it for refusing to be good enough. The Bible condemns good that comes from
sources that refuse to be better (James 3:8-12; Mark 10:18). The works of the Church are just telling
God that the Church will do good on its terms not on good’s terms so its not good in intention but rebellious. What about the Church spending millions on
Churches, on producing saints and investigating miracles, on fighting on
public relations, taking money off the poor and starving in |
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Catholics should die for their faith if necessary
but we know few would! |
Then most are hypocrites for they would refuse to
die for their faith though they claim the right to say that God uses
suffering to make people better people.
That is approving of the suffering and it is fanaticism and vile to say
things like that about people over a belief.
They need proof to have the right and they selfishly turn their backs
on the fanaticism of dying for God to propound a fanatical assessment of
other peoples suffering! |
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The Catholic Church is holy and produces many
saints |
How could the saints canonised by such a dishonest
Church which they supported in its dishonesty be real saints despite the
miracles they do to show they are saints?
The top thinkers of the Church must know that the religion is
deception and untrue or at least that there is nothing believable about it so
what does that say about the rest of the clergy? |
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Racism is a sin and
racists hide their prejudice by making it look like something else |
Then we must take the
nasty doctrines of the Catholic Church as evidence that it is a nasty
religion cloaked in sweetness. We have
no other way of judging people but by their teachings and works. You don’t consider a Muslim who stones his
wife to death because his religious beliefs tell him to be anything other
than a monstrous murderer. Belief is
no excuse for evil. |
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God does not live in
babies until they are baptized for they have original sin. |
God rejects the babies
because of something Adam chose for them!
How ridiculous and uncharitable.
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Baptism heals original
sin and the tendency to sin, it is the new birth, we become a new creation and like Jesus and
our old sin-loving nature is changed |
You know that is a lie
for most baptised people fall away and those that don’t tend to follow their own
version of Christianity and accordingly are heretics |
| The Church teaches that marriage must be entered into with the greatest caution. Confirmation is when you confirm your baptism and the vows made for you. Confirmation is making an eternal commitment to the Church. Marriage is only making a commitment to a person for life. Confirmation intimately unites you with God. It is like a marriage with the Holy Spirit. | Curiously the Church teaches that great caution is necessary for marriage though it teaches that confirmation as a member of the Church is more important it does not advise such caution! When have you heard of confirmation candidates being left free to opt out of the rite? When has the Church let them read books against the Church so that they can hear both sides and decide? |
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Capital punishment is never justified except in extreme circumstances
to protect lives |
The Bible which you
say is the word of God commands capital punishment by stoning for adulterous
people and gays and heretics and says God said it. |
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We believe that the
worst thing possible is being part of a false religion |
Then why do you pray
with and “respect” other religions?
You only tolerate what you consider to be not too bad or what you
don’t care much about. |
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We love Protestants
and want them to go to Heaven. |
Then why are they
barred from confession? Protestants
are religious free thinkers and could hold that they need to go to a priest
for forgiveness |
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Homosexual desire is
disordered, but we are not saying homosexuals are disordered. |
Of course it is saying
they are disordered and sick. If John
has the flu and is a sick man then the homosexual is disordered. |
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When we say the pope
is infallible we mean not that God inspires him more than anybody else but
that God doesn’t let him err when he studies and comes to a conclusion that
he teaches officially to the Church |
You say infallibility
is not inspiration but inspiration must be involved if God is able to help
the pope reach the correct conclusion! |
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Sex is a
language. It tells the person that you
want to be with them forever and give yourself to them forever. That is why sex outside marriage is wrong. |
If so then why do you allow
husbands and wives to separate or to remarry after the husband or wife
dies? When a husband has sex with his
wife then he is saying to her, “I give myself to you but only as long as we
get along and you don’t cheat on me”. |
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Divorce is an unnatural
sin for husband and wife are closer than father and
daughter and you cannot divorce your father.
Your wife is still your wife after a divorce so divorce cannot
dissolve marriage.
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Then you let an
unbaptised married couple divorce and remarry if one of them was baptised
after the wedding and they want to part.
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We forbid divorce for the sake of the children |
Then why do you consider unmarried couples to be
free to go and break up despite their children? Why do you say such relationships must end? |
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Divorce is sinful for you can’t promise to take
somebody for life and then marry somebody else before they are dead |
Then why do you allow a baptised person who is
married to an unbaptised person to just leave and marry again though you
consider the first marriage valid? Of
course you believe in divorce. |
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Hate the sin but love
the sinner. Our Lord taught us that we
should hate sin so much that we should gouge our eye out if it leads us to
sin - a metaphor to picture how bad sin was. |
If you pretend that
the sinner is separate from the sin then how can you be a fair judge of
character? Sin reveals the kind of
person a sinner is. To hate sin is to
condemn the sinner and hate the sinner. |
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Jesus said if your eye
draws you to sin gouge it out reflecting how much we should hate sin |
That’s bad for
us. If we love our neighbours as
ourselves we will soon be in the madhouse with all the sin that goes on |
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For grave reasons the husband
and wife may restrict sex to the infertile period to avoid children but
contraception is forbidden for it makes the child an accident not someone to
be welcomed |
If contraception does
that then so does this infertile period method |
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Contraception makes
adultery easier and fornication |
The natural method you
advocate could do that too |
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Conception must always
be open to life, the infertile period method leaves
it up to God to create a life if he should so wish for conception is slightly
possible. Let God plan your family. |
Then why bother with
the method if God is trusted that much?
Why are you trying to make it harder for him if you trust him? |
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We allow natural family planning when it is
necessary to protect the health of the mother but contraception can never be
allowed for it seeks to prevent God creating life |
If sex is for creating life then natural family
planning is wrong as it is hoping new life will not be made. When even you agree that family planning is
needed for human welfare, you should permit contraception for it is more
reliable. If it is all right to have
sex while not wanting a child then it is all right to use contraception. To say natural family planning is right and
condoms are bad is as silly as saying brushing your teeth with toothpaste is
a sin but cleaning them with lemon is not. |
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Abortion is wrong even
to save the mother’s life because the baby is innocent. Though you can kill in self-defence this is
not self-defence and so not allowed.
The baby is not doing any harm. |
We are allowed to kill
unjust aggressors even if they are mad as long as it is self-defence. They are innocent. The Church does not really believe this
argument about abortion. It is
obviously stupid. |
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Animals are conscious
living beings and should be put to sleep when they get too old or sick |
Some human beings have
so much brain damage that they have the same consciousness as animals and the
Church forbids their being put to sleep.
The Church says that one is better alive than dead for one has nothing
in death. At least when one is alive one has something no matter how much
suffering is faced. This reasoning is hypocritically
not applied to animals. |
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We must be kind to
animals |
Then why do you gorge
on meat from animals that lived in torment and died in torment too? |
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Jesus said that you shall love the Lord your God
with all your heart and soul and mind which is the greatest commandment and
the second greatest is loving your neighbour (Mark 12:29-31) |
So God comes first and loving neighbour
second. Then why are Catholics not
urged to leave jobs that lead them into sin against God or to leave
workplaces that forbid them to pray?
You are not putting God first if you sell condoms which he forbids if
you are an employee in a shop. Would
it be right for you to support a religion that says people will burn in Hell
forever for using condoms and that a rapist using a condom sins more than one
that does not and that a man should give his wife AIDS rather than use a
condom and then sell them? You are
vile if you think it would be. |
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The greatest
commandment is to love God with all your heart and soul and mind and strength
and the second greatest is to love your neighbour as yourself |
So loving a dying baby
is not as important as loving God but is of secondary importance. This clearly puts belief before
people. The Church is not open about
this implication so it gets the loyalty of the people by manipulation.
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| Love your neighbour as yourself is a moral rule of the highest wisdom | The rule is useless in practice. People can't agree on what loving your neighbour as yourself is. Disputes and disagreements are the fabric of life. Even Jesus believed that love did not mean being sweet but could mean being rude for people's good - he called the Pharisees names. He upset people by rioting in the Temple. He broke his mother's heart by going to the cross and endangered his friends. The rule is just false advertising. Oversimplifying morality the way Jesus and the Church did with the rule is arrogance and irresponsible and actually uncaring. Take the rule, Respect life. To keep the rule we have to keep people who are in the worst of agonies and who are dying alive as long as possible even if it means making their pain worse. We can't give a dying patient morphine to ease the pain of cancer for the morphine will hasten death. And then if we deny the rule we end up opening the door to a culture of death. |
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Miracles are signs
from God that our religion is true. We
have to believe in the Bible ones but the ones that took place since are
optional. |
A miracle is a
miracle, if one should be believed all should be believed. Scientific investigations take place of
modern miracles so they should be more believable and more obligatory to
believe than the Bible ones from a pre-scientific age! |
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We must believe in the Bible miracles but we are
not required to believe in the miracles of |
So the modern miracles are better verified because
of modern science than the Bible ones and it is the hearsay in the Bible from
long ago that we are required to believe in!
That is a dishonest double-standard.
The Church says that no apparition can request anything that might do
harm for it is not certain if the apparition is from Heaven or has some
unusual cause and yet it accepted the appearances of Mary at Lourdes in 1858
despite her making Bernadette eat plants at an infectious dump and demanding
that the people drink from the spring! |
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No genuine miracles
take place outside of the one true faith or religion |
You can’t know that
for you don’t investigate most of your own reported miracles and none outside
the fold! You are lying. You are manipulating the evidence. |
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God hates sin |
Then why did he
protect the Virgin Mary from original sin in such a way that she never sinned
of her own free will and kept sin-free her whole life and not protect us like
that? |
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There is no place for
violence in religion |
Your Bible God
commanded it a lot especially in the first five books. Jesus caused a riot in the temple on
purpose. He refused to walk away from
the violent death he knew was coming to him. |
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Venial sin does not
mean a break with God but mortal sin does and deserves Hell forever |
The difference between
the two is often arbitrary. Forbidden
sexual thoughts are mortal sins while not making a contribution to help the
starving live is not |
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We are made holier the
more good works we do and God enables us to really deserve Heaven |
The Protestant
doctrine that we are saved once for all and do good works just for gratitude is
far nobler |
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Mortal or serious sin
deserves everlasting torment in Hell.
Those who die in such sin will be punished forever. |
It is only dying in
mortal sin that condemns you to Hell not mortal sin. It can be forgiven before you are
dead. |
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The souls in Purgatory
cannot help themselves – they need us to pray and sacrifice for them so that
God can accept this for their sins and let them out quicker. |
The spirits there are
being abused for God is not letting them purify themselves by doing good and by praying.
He is ignoring their efforts.
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Belief in Hell is not
vindictive |
They can’t explain how
God and the saints can be happy with people suffering in Hell but they say it
is possible for it happens. This answer
is a copout and therefore uncharitable.
No two people believe exactly the same thing for the same
reasons. There are as many faiths as
people so why do Christians choose a faith that teaches the existence of
Hell? Does it not show that they want it
to exist? |
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Saying that those who die in serious or Mortal Sin
will go to Hell to suffer forever |
That is just plain hatred after the hypocrisy we
have found this cult to be guilty of.
You need proof before you can accuse anybody of deserving a hellish
eternity and they have no proof and then they expect people not to
slander! If you can condone Hell you
can condone anything. For that reason
alone anybody who defends the doctrine or believes in it is evil. That Christians find it distasteful to try
and condone God sexually abusing a child and acceptable to have a God who
lets a boy of eight years old pay in Hell for sexually touching himself shows
that there is an undertone of malice in the doctrine. |