Why its a mistake to give the Catholic Church support via membership or donations
"Our Lady is the surest, the easiest, the shortest and most perfect means of going to Jesus Christ" - St Louis de Montfort
[Note: The Holy Spirit is bypassed in favour of Mary. Whoever thinks that it is not enough to go to Jesus directly is really just praying to Mary while pretending it brings him closer to Jesus. If Jesus is as approachable and understanding and as human as the Bible says there is no need for Mary. To go to her is really bypassing Jesus while pretending that this bypassing isn't happening. Indeed the only Jesus it can bring one close to is the one in one's head not the real one. The Catholic Church believes Jesus is physically present in the Eucharist or communion. To say that you need Mary to go to Jesus is strange if the Church really believes one is united with Jesus in tremendous intimacy by receiving communion. Clearly then one must keep one's focus on Mary even then. That is like having sex with your wife while looking at your wife's mother and giving her the attention.]
Prayer of Pope Pius XII which he composed for the Marian Year “Oh Immaculate Mother of Jesus and our Mother Mary … O Conqueress of evil and death, inspire in us a deep horror of sin, which makes the soul detestable to God and a slave of Hell!”
This prayer implies that we do not have a deep horror of sin and need it. So we must be sinners and hated by God. Mary is prayed to because God hates us. She has a civilising influence on God. Also, she is asked to INSPIRE. Even if it were okay to pray to saints, to ask them to ask God to inspire you, asking them to inspire you as if by telepathy is spiritism.
The Church approved the apparitions of Mary, Flame of Love in Hungary. Mary said, ""My children, the Arm of my Divine Son is ready to strike. I can barely hold it back. Help me! If you invoke my Flame of Love, we can save the world together."
Unless you pray to her the magic flame will not generate the power to help and control Jesus!
Consecration to Our Lady by Pope John Paul II
Immaculate Conception, Mary my Mother
Live in me, act in me.
Speak in and through me.
Think your thoughts in my mind.
Love through my heart.
Give me your dispositions and feelings.
Teach, lead and guide me to Jesus.
Correct and enlighten and expand my thoughts and behaviour.
Possess my soul and take over my entire personality and life.
Replace it with yourself.
Incline me to constant adoration and thanksgiving.
Pray in and through me.
Let me live in you and keep me in this union always. Amen.
[Note: This prayer is the most extreme ever composed to the Virgin Mary. It calls out for possession and for telepathic spirit communication. Instead of asking God to help you become like her, it asks her to do the guiding and living in you personally. With a prayer like that, it shows there are problems relating to God. If you cannot go directly to your saviour and need a prop in order to approach him or even worse need somebody else to do it for you, then there are serious problems. It shows that as the gospel of John says, that you fear and hate the light - God- for he shows up your sins.]
St Patrick's Community's Parish Mission Book, page 17 promotes this prayer.
Pope Francis in October 2014 regarding guardian angels: “Do I listen to them? Do I say, ‘Good morning,’ in the morning? Do I say, ‘Watch over me while I sleep’? Do I talk to them? Do I ask advice?” By implication the Church believes in spirit communication from saints too.
Necromancy is calling up the
dead or talking to them to get information they have access to. Christianity has always taught that necromancy is a sin and an act of
Some rituals for necromancy are full of devotion to God. But they are still necromancy. God is only introduced to make the necromancer feel good about the dark deeds he is performing. The Church condemns the rituals. Necromancy is necromancy whether done in the name of God and love or not.
People do believe that God allows contact with the dead such as he allows with the living. That does not make their necromancy in any sense justifiable. But nevertheless, there is a misguided respect for God. There is no respect in the kind of necromancy that calls for prayers to the dead to get them to influence God. The dead can only influence God if they are wiser than he is.
Roman Catholicism accepts necromancy as part of its religious devotion but it refuses to admit that it is necromancy.
Roman Catholicism teaches that you can pray to the angels and the saints and get guidance from them. The religion says that sometimes prayer is easier if we pray to a saint and not directly to God. Clearly, the Catholic just wants to honour a saint in the place of God and that is why they find praying to a saint easier. Pagans used the same excuse to avoid praying to the main god.
The Church says praying to the saints and angels is really praying to God for they have nothing of their own only what they have got from God. But if when Catholics pray to a saint, such as Mary, then why don't they make that clear? They would pray, "Mary I praise what God has made you and in doing so I honour him. You have no power of your own and I ask that God may bless me through your agency." But they do not. Instead they go, "Hail Holy Queen Mother of Mercy. Hail our life, our sweetness and our hope."
The Church lies that it simply asks saints and angels to pray for it. If it believed in doing that it would pray, "Angels and saints of God pray for me." Instead it prays to them as if they were gods and could hear all their problems and understand what to do as if they had the knowledge that God has about all that is going on.
The angels and saints can pray for you without knowing you have invoked them. Talking to them as if they can hear every word is really treating them as if they were the God who knows all secrets.
Catholicism uses necromantic prayers. Here is a Catholic prayer that shows that in principle the Church is not opposed to getting psychically or supernaturally delivered information from beings who are not God,
"Angel of God my guardian dear, to whom God's love commits me here. Ever this day be at my side. To light and guard and rule and guide. Amen."
It is perfectly acceptable for a Catholic to change Angel of God to the name of a dead "holy" person such as John Paul II or Blessed John XXIII or the notorious murder monger St Dominic Guzman.
That is a Spiritism beyond any practiced by Spiritualists who do not want the spirits around them all day.
Spiritualists who are under a good measure of Christian influence will say that the spirits that guide them and inspire them and to whom they pray depend entirely on God to do these things so that it is really God who deserves all the honour. Yet Catholicism condemns them as turning to spirits and not God. Catholicism has to forbid spiritualism for Catholic tradition and the Bible do it but then it goes and creates a thinly disguised form of it to practice itself.
The Catholics say that praying to saints and angels is not ignoring God or Jesus but rather addressing them through a saint. They say praying to the saint is honouring God in the saint not the saint himself or herself so it is another way of praying to God. If that is true then the saint does not help us at all, its only God who does the helping. They say that if the saint personally helps you it is because God gave them his power to do it with so it is really he who is helping. This denies the Catholic doctrine that the saints help us with their intercession. If God does what a saint asks him to do, it does not follow that the saint was a cause. God is supreme and so the real cause was just God's choosing to do it. If God is perfect he will do good if we ask and will not need a saint to ask as well. Praying to the saints undermines the goodness of God. To claim you can use a saint maybe to do what God won't do is in fact to call upon the saint to try out ungodly powers.
As we know, necromancy is calling up the dead or talking to them to get information they have access to. The appalling book, Born Fundamentalist, Born-Again Catholic, accepts Webster’s definition of necromancy as trying to find out about the future from the dead (page 162). This book is attempting to dispel the Evangelical Christian complaint that Catholics praying to saints is necromancy. It is trying to dispel it on the basis that the Catholics are not trying to divine the future by praying to saints. To do that it uses a false definition of necromancy. But clearly necromancy is not just calling the dead up so that you might know the future from them but the act of communicating with the dead itself. That is what is wrong with the practice. It can't be anything else. The communicating is a bigger element than the wish to know the future. It is not calling up the dead to learn something that is the problem - it is the calling up of the dead. If calling on the dead is right, then it cannot be wrong to call on them to tell you the future for they don't have to tell you anything.
doctrine says that only God knows the future. This, in itself, does not forbid you to call up
or call on spirits to
hear their predictions for they see things and know things and plans we don’t
though they might not know all the future.
They invisibly listen in on world events. They could give you accurate
predictions based not on seeing the future but on the way they see things are
headed. God might tell
them the future. If God knows the future, he might tell a spirit all about
it and the spirit might then tell us.
God might tell them the future. If God knows the future, he might tell a spirit all about it and the spirit might then tell us.
The dead might not be able to tell you what they know. An evil spirit might pretend to be the dead person you are talking to. You might want to know something about the past or the present and not the future at all. All these considerations show that the book is taking us for fools and it gives the impression that it is okay to call up or call on the dead as long as it is not about the future which is ludicrous.
No matter what Born Fundamentalist, Born-Again Catholic says, about necromancy being bad and calling up the dead to be told the future it cannot see this as wrong. Would it not be necromancy to go to bed praying that St Rita will appear in a dream to tell you something about the future?
Calling on the dead to reveal something is as much necromancy as calling the dead up to visible appearance or whatever. You are still dealing with the dead. Necromancy can take the form of asking the dead to appear or asking the dead to speak to you without appearing. Or it can take the form of asking the dead a question and asking them to give a sign in reply. For example, "If Charlie loves me let me see two ravens tomorrow." Roman Catholicism tends to go for the latter kind. Catholics are always asking for signs from saints. For example, they ask St Anthony to help them find things and they believe that if he does that then he does it chiefly as an indication of his kindly power and the effectiveness of invoking the saints.
If it is true that saints are only believed in for the sake of the miracles they do, then saint worship is not about honouring decency. Does a saint just exist for doing miracles? The Church has to say yes! The saint does miracles but must be a miracle of holiness too! The Church says that only God's grace, his miracle power to heal the heart of natural evil, makes saints.
What could be wrong
with necromancy when you want God to send a dead person to tell you things in
your dreams? That is not bypassing
God but honouring him, it would seem. But nevertheless the Bible
- which he wrote according to the Christian faith - sternly forbids necromancy.
But nevertheless the Bible - which he wrote according to the Christian faith - sternly forbids necromancy.
Necromancy is forbidden by God and is to be understood as any attempt to make supernatural contact with a being that is not God. God said we must love him with all our powers and all our heart and mind so if he has a supernatural revelation for us he will appear in some form to us himself to keep things direct and in homage to the commandment banning necromancy. Why not when he can do it himself? Anything else would be spurious.
The Church says that to honour the saints is to honour God for it is God who has made them saints and the powers they have are his powers. The Hail Holy Queen prayer goes, "Hail Holy Queen, Mother of Mercy! Hail our life, our sweetness and our hope! To thee do we cry poor banished children of Eve; to thee do we send up our sighs, mourning and weeping in this vale of tears." Catholics pray to saints the same way they do to God. But they claim they are really honouring God in doing so for it is God who the prayers and honours are ultimately meant for. If that so, then why do even they frown on somebody who says that masses should be offered to the Blessed Virgin Mary or at least in her name? Why can't the Church say, "Mary, we offer you the body and blood of Jesus Christ sacrificed for our sins and we ask you to wash us in his precious blood." It can if this is just honouring the God who is in Mary. They know fine well that their excuse that honouring the saints is honouring God doesn't work.
If you honour God when you honour the saints, why can you be seen to be possibly honouring the saints when you pray to God? Protestants don't honour the saints directly but they believe they honour those saints in Heaven who love God by honouring the God these saints adore so much. The saints love God so much that they are pleased and delighted and indirectly honoured when others adore him too.
Protestantism. To honour the saints is to honour God but not by praying to them. To honour God is to honour the saints.
Roman Catholicism. To honour the saints is to honour God through praying to them. To honour God is to honour the saints.
Two alternatives. It makes more sense to honour God without praying to the saints for that honours the saints anyway. He is closer to them than even they could ever be to him. God loves the saints more than the saints could ever love him. He is better than them. He is more honoured by going to him directly than by going to him indirectly through the saints. If you honour the mother you go to her directly and you don't honour her baby in the guise of honouring her.
The Bible gives strong and serious condemnations against necromancy. In Deuteronomy 18 it condemns those who consult ghosts, it says nothing about the future, and who seek oracles as necromancers and says that these people are an abomination in the sight of the Lord. Most people who consult ghosts prefer to do it without trying to hear voices and see the ghost. They want the ghost to put the answer in their minds for that is all that is needed anyway. But they are still calling up the dead and doing necromancy. They want the ghost to hear them and they seek help from the ghost.
Leviticus says that mediums and fortune-tellers
are to be put to death on God’s orders by stoning and that they have
nobody but themselves to blame for their deaths. That is the way you would talk if somebody
attacked you to kill you and you killed them first. You would say they were to blame for
their death and nobody else because they forced you to defend yourself by
killing them. So psychics forced
the Hebrews to kill them. We know
they did not for they don’t do that much harm and the harm can be legally
restricted but God does not allow us to see this. If they force you to execute them and do
it cruelly by stoning it indicates that God must still regard it as a duty to
destroy them and not just destroy them but to give them a lingering death. Love is the Law in both the Old and New
Testaments which means it is not love to let them live. They must be very dangerous indeed.
The Catholic Church claims their doctrines draw you into everlasting punishment
in Hell so they would say that is the reason for the severe condemnations and
They must be very dangerous indeed. The Catholic Church claims their doctrines draw you into everlasting punishment in Hell so they would say that is the reason for the severe condemnations and penalties.
In 1 Samuel 28, the Witch of Endor calls up the dead prophet Samuel’s ghost and she alone can see it and she gets a message from it for King Saul. It is not said that she tried to force him to appear. It is not said that he came against his will. She may just have asked him to appear and he did. Mediums say they all do that. She didn’t do anything different from a Catholic who might call on a saint to show their presence by doing some good work for them or perform some wonder.
So dealing with the dead is one of the most emphatically and fanatically forbidden sins in the Bible. The sin is so hated by God that he would not want us to do anything that might be necromantic such as praying to the saints for we can live without praying to them.
The Bible at Romans 8:26 states that we are too weak to know how to pray as we ought so the Holy Spirit intercedes for us to make up for that. Praying to the saints undermines that idea totally. Its trying to ignore the Spirit so as to get lesser beings to do the interceding. If you believe the Spirit patches up what you do wrong in prayer, you will not invoke a saint. If you pray to a saint, then is the Holy Spirit fixing the faults so that the prayer will reach the saint perfected and persuasive? So the Holy Spirit then virtually prays to saints too!
The Catholics deny that human nature is a sin nature or that humans are sinful by nature which means the Bible teaching that they are sinful by nature is being rejected and Catholicism cannot be considered a genuine Christian Church. Those who do not see that they are sinners by nature cannot be saved. They cannot be saved for they cannot bond with God for he is pure goodness. This is the clear Bible teaching. It would mean that the Catholic Church invoking the presence of the saints is invoking demons for the saints seen sin in terms of actions and not in what it makes a person to be.
Praying to saints implies distrust in the Holy Spirit. It is blasphemy. And the severe penalties for becoming chums with the dead show how much God opposes it.
Why is God so severe in relation to necromancy? Why does he want the sin abhorred and its practitioners destroyed?
It is not because necromancy is trying to force the dead to do anything. Even the most devoted necromancer claims that the dead only help if they wish or allow themselves to be forced if they wish. No necromancer can risk being thought able to force the dead to appear for if he is a fraud he will soon be found out. It is better to take peoples' money and try to communicate with the dead and if nothing happens just say the dead didn't wish to speak or see the need to. Necromancy is not about forcing in the proper sense. It is mad to think that the necromancer is trying to make the dead appear whether they want to or not. No necromancer says they can do that. They claim that the dead speak if they want to. And if the dead don’t want to they can still use psychic power to tell the necromancer what he or she wants to know.
Catholics say the dead always want you to communicate with them.
The Roman Catholic Church claims to be the Church on earth, in Purgatory and in
Heaven so it is all one Church. It is not three parts of the Church.
The Church is one part only. This is the doctrine of the communion of
saints where all are united intimately. If the communion with Purgatory
and Heaven is necromantic then the Church is thoroughly necromantic.
The Roman Catholic Church claims to be the Church on earth, in Purgatory and in Heaven so it is all one Church. It is not three parts of the Church. The Church is one part only. This is the doctrine of the communion of saints where all are united intimately. If the communion with Purgatory and Heaven is necromantic then the Church is thoroughly necromantic.
God does not allow you to go to spirits rather than him for answers. But many necromancers claim that God has
arranged things this way so it is not necessarily shutting him out. Catholics say that God likes us to use
intermediaries. But maybe necromancy
is condemned because God does not approve of what does not bring us straight to
him without priests and without saints?
God wants us to forget about intermediaries and to use them is to insult
his will and is hidden idolatry for the messenger is more important than the
message in a real sense. If God exists, he cannot be as important as
the people you trust to relay his message and truth to them. Religion and
revelation transmitted second-hand are idolatry by default.
If God exists, he cannot be as important as the people you trust to relay his message and truth to them. Religion and revelation transmitted second-hand are idolatry by default.
It could be that only
God can call up the dead not the necromancer. But no necromancer believes that he
calls the dead up without a gift from God.
Catholics also say that the saints cannot listen to you except by the
power of God. Necromancers who claim to use their own power still say
that God created that power and gave it to them. The problem cannot be
that they are trying to commune with the dead with their own power.
Necromancers who claim to use their own power still say that God created that power and gave it to them. The problem cannot be that they are trying to commune with the dead with their own power.
If necromancy involves trying to know the future there is no harm in asking God to show you the future through a saint or whatever for it is left up to him to decide if he should let you know.
It could be that only demons help the necromancers. There is no reason to think this for necromancy need not be anti-God or cruel. And talking to demons need only be a problem if you take them too seriously and do not check them out.
The only problem that God can have with necromancy is that he wants people to go directly to him and it has God using intermediaries. This means that praying to the saints or souls in Purgatory is necromancy.
The Catholic Church advises praying for the Holy Souls in Purgatory to get them out of there. They can't help themselves so if we pray to God he reduces their sentence. He does this for he likes being prayed to. He rewards us for the praying by doing what we want. Strange "reward" for it is getting the souls out of Purgatory or closer to release. The Church says that the souls do good works and suffer in Purgatory. Purgatory is a purifying punishment. The only kind of purifying punishment is when people suffer and sacrifice a lot to do good as punishment for their sin. The only kind of good the spirits in Purgatory can do is communicate with people to give them guidance and comfort them psychically. Purgatory is a necromantic doctrine.
We are horrified at the thought that God will send torment for all eternity on those who have died in serious sin. Many of the saints had a huge horror of sin that they grew ill if they saw somebody sinning and they regarded their own little flaws as huge dramatic evils. The Church argues that their example proves how horrible sin is and how it forces God to sent torment though he is infinite love. The theory is that it leaves God with no choice. Clearly the saints are really manifestations of evil and fanaticism and to engage with them is to deliberately consort with evil spirits. Nobody has the right to accuse somebody of being capable of forcing God to torment them forever. Do you want to become the image of a God or a saint who agrees with your friends and family possibly being salted with such torment forever? Love the sinner and hate the sin is useless if it cannot stop you agreeing that even your own mother should be tormented forever if she asks for it? Why bother when it makes you a tacit torturer?
The ban on necromancy in the Bible would imply that the apostles while getting messages from the risen Jesus were also practicing necromancy. Their necromancy was of the extreme kind which involved talking to the spirit which had taken over a body that was dead and should have stayed dead.
The gospels do not verify that the resurrected Jesus really was the resurrected Jesus and not a spirit controlling Jesus' body. Some necromancers stole corpses to temporarily reanimate them with some spirit so that they might get answers for their questions. Jesus never appeared for that long. The gospels say the body vanished but do not say why. It is not true that they use the disappearance as evidence for a bodily resurrection. The body could have been stolen and rose in the presence of the thieves.
The resurrection of Jesus Christ was condemned as sorcery by the Law of Moses and the Jews for Jesus's preaching and claims didn’t fit the teaching of the Law.
The Church says that these appearances were spontaneous and were not
sought and so cannot be considered to be sorcery.
But the gospels themselves say that Jesus predicted clearly before his
crucifixion that he would rise from the dead and be seen after being nailed to
the cross but argue lamely that the apostles forgot about this. Clearly what happened was the apostles
did expect to see visions if Jesus predicted them but they were embarrassed at
how much this looked like necromancy and feigned surprise. Or they induced themselves to see the
visions so they said they forgot what Jesus said. All necromancers claimed that you should
seek visions if God wants to send them and they said you were inspired to call
up spirits that were willing to appear so that technically speaking the
appearances are spontaneous so the Church is covering up the fact that the
resurrection appearances were necromantic.
Spontaneity is irrelevant as long as the person is open to such
Spontaneity is irrelevant as long as the person is open to such experiences.
The Church always taught that faith is a gift from God that is supernatural in origin in the sense that the Holy Spirit gives you light to see the truth. So the apostles did not believe in the resurrection because of a missing body or visions but because they felt the Spirit was telling them that Jesus rose. They had a sense of the Holy Spirit communicating with them and revealing. They believed this sense and it was because of it that they decided that the visions of Jesus were really from God and of Jesus. It was that sense that was behind their faith not empty tombs or visions. They were not even corroboration for they were not needed. The entire Christian world has been led astray by alleged light from the Spirit. It only results in schism and confusion and over-confidence. You would need to be smarter than the Holy Spirit and psychic to know for sure if your inner voice really was the Spirit so that is what you are saying when you say you have light from God. So even Christians having faith means they are claiming psychic powers and powers of divination which are prohibited in the Old Testament Torah which never says faith is a gift from God in the supernatural sense.
The fruits of the resurrection
have been occultism and fanaticism and arrogance. The arrogance has been camouflaged
as humility: “Oh I am right about what the Spirit says and you are wrong –
and probably purposely wrong too”.
This black fruit indicates that Jesus, if he lived, was indeed a black
magician as the Jews used to say even according to the New Testament. To prevent chaos, some people like the After
all he claimed it was a sacrifice.
After all he claimed it was a sacrifice.
The Devil then was
behind the apparitions of the saints and of Jesus and answers the prayers made
to the saints. Roman Catholicism is
an occult religion steeped in black magic for those who believe in the Devil
and see that saint-worship is incompatible with respect for God. Believers just run after saints for the miracles
saints supposedly do – they don’t care if they are doing God’s
will or not. From a Christian point
of view, Roman Catholicism has no excuse for God says his Spirit will guide
people out of such practices if they want to listen to him. It is the successor to the sorcery
system that was once
The Roman Catholic Church says it adores Jesus as the Risen God and prays to saints because the Bible commands it and the Bible is the word of God. God and man wrote it together so it is fully human and fully divine. This doctrine actually demands that the authors become God and yet stay themselves to work which is magic and is totally contradictory. The Church won’t admit this though. The authors need psychic powers to write what God wants for the inspiration theory says they could write what they wanted and were not like typewriters. So when a necromantic book that claims an inspiration that blasphemes God commands saint worship and says Jesus rose and communicated after his demise it cannot want us to disapprove of these necromantic activities. It is being hypocritical if it forbids them.
The Catholic Church is an occultic religion. The Bible says that speaking to the dead and looking for their help is necromancy for only God should be approached for help. The Catholic Church prays to the dead. It seeks visions from the dead and asks them to do miracles if they are in Heaven so that it can canonise them as saints. The Church is provoking God for he says he will punish such sins severely and with hellfire forever.
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