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SAINT WORSHIP/VENERATION IS NECROMANCY
Summary: In seances and invoking the saints you claim the
power to make them listen. In seances you hope you can make them listen
but in praying to saints they have to listen. That is the bottom line.
In seances you deal with the entity as if it were another human being but with
saints you do not - you regard them as beings who can get God to do the opposite
of what he wants to do. Spiritualism and Catholicism claim to benefit from
good entities yet you hear Catholics saying the saints are good and that
justifies having a relationship with them beyond the grave. Also nobody
claims to know how the entity hears your demand or prayer. Spiritualists
and Catholics say it is down to forces that we cannot test or examine or
understand so they are unknown. They say all they know is that the forces
are not normal or part of everyday existence in the sense that a telephone is.
They agree with the occult which says that we know there are forces there and
that we seem to be able to harness them but we do not know what they are.
It does not follow that if your prayer reaches a saint that even if God does
deliver prayers that it was him.
WHAT IS NECROMANCY?
Necromancy is calling up the dead or talking to them to get information they have access to. Christianity has always taught that necromancy is a sin and an act of black magic.
Some rituals for necromancy are full of devotion to God. But they are still necromancy. God is only introduced to make the necromancer feel good about the dark deeds he is performing. The Church condemns the rituals. Necromancy is necromancy whether done in the name of God and love or not.
People do believe that God allows contact with the dead such as he allows with the living. That does not make their necromancy in any sense justifiable. But nevertheless, there is a misguided respect for God. There is no respect in the kind of necromancy that calls for prayers to the dead to get them to influence God. The dead can only influence God if they are wiser than he is.
Roman Catholicism accepts necromancy as part of its religious devotion but it refuses to admit that it is necromancy. The give away is how the saint is spoken to as if she or he were in the room and hearing and seeing the person praying. That is pure ghost stuff and magic.
Roman Catholicism teaches that you can pray to the angels
and the saints and get guidance from them. The religion says that sometimes
prayer is easier if we pray to a saint and not directly to God. Clearly, the
Catholic just wants to honour a saint in the place of God and that is why they
find praying to a saint easier. Pagans used the same excuse to avoid praying to
the main god.
The Church says praying to the saints and angels is really praying to God for they have nothing of their own only what they have got from God. But if when Catholics pray to a saint, such as Mary, then why don't they make that clear? They would pray, "Mary I praise what God has made you and in doing so I honour him. You have no power of your own and I ask that God may bless me through your agency." But they do not. Instead they go, "Hail Holy Queen Mother of Mercy. Hail our life, our sweetness and our hope."
The Church lies that it simply asks saints and angels to
pray for it. If it believed in doing that it would pray, "Angels and saints of
God pray for me." Instead it prays to them as if they were gods and could hear
all their problems and understand what to do as if they had the knowledge that
God has about all that is going on.
The angels and saints can pray for you without knowing
you have invoked them. Talking to them as if they can hear every word is really
treating them as if they were the God who knows all secrets.
Spiritualists who are under a good measure of Christian
influence will say that the spirits that guide them and inspire them and to whom
they pray depend entirely on God to do these things so that it is really God who
deserves all the honour. Yet Catholicism condemns them as turning to spirits and
not God. Catholicism has to forbid spiritualism for Catholic tradition and the
Bible do it but then it goes and creates a thinly disguised form of it to
The Catholics say that praying to saints and angels is
not ignoring God or Jesus but rather addressing them through a saint. They say
praying to the saint is honouring God in the saint not the saint himself or
herself so it is another way of praying to God. If that is true then the saint
does not help us at all, its only God who does the helping. They say that if the
saint personally helps you it is because God gave them his power to do it with
so it is really he who is helping. This denies the Catholic doctrine that the
saints help us with their intercession. If God does what a saint asks him to do,
it does not follow that the saint was a cause. God is supreme and so the real
cause was just God's choosing to do it. If God is perfect he will do good if we
ask and will not need a saint to ask as well. Praying to the saints undermines
the goodness of God. To claim you can use a saint maybe to do what God won't do
is in fact to call upon the saint to try out ungodly powers.
As we know, necromancy is calling up the dead or talking
to them to get information they have access to. The appalling book, Born
Fundamentalist, Born-Again Catholic, accepts Websterís definition of necromancy
as trying to find out about the future from the dead (page 162). This book is
attempting to dispel the Evangelical Christian complaint that Catholics praying
to saints is necromancy. It is trying to dispel it on the basis that the
Catholics are not trying to divine the future by praying to saints. To do that
it uses a false definition of necromancy. But clearly necromancy is not just
calling the dead up so that you might know the future from them but the act of
communicating with the dead itself. That is what is wrong with the practice. It
can't be anything else. The communicating is a bigger element than the wish to
know the future. It is not calling up the dead to learn something that is the
problem - it is the calling up of the dead. If calling on the dead is right,
then it cannot be wrong to call on them to tell you the future for they don't
have to tell you anything.
Christian doctrine says that only God knows the future.
This, in itself, does not forbid you to call up or call on spirits to hear their
predictions for they see things and know things and plans we donít though they
might not know all the future. They invisibly listen in on world events. They
could give you accurate predictions based not on seeing the future but on the
way they see things are headed. God might tell them the future. If God knows
the future, he might tell a spirit all about it and the spirit might then tell
The dead might not be able to tell you what they know. An
evil spirit might pretend to be the dead person you are talking to. You might
want to know something about the past or the present and not the future at all.
All these considerations show that the book is taking us for fools and it gives
the impression that it is okay to call up or call on the dead as long as it is
not about the future which is ludicrous.
No matter what Born Fundamentalist, Born-Again Catholic
says, about necromancy being bad and calling up the dead to be told the future
it cannot see this as wrong. Would it not be necromancy to go to bed praying
that St Rita will appear in a dream to tell you something about the future?
Calling on the dead to reveal something is as much
necromancy as calling the dead up to visible appearance or whatever. You are
still dealing with the dead. Necromancy can take the form of asking the dead to
appear or asking the dead to speak to you without appearing. Or it can take the
form of asking the dead a question and asking them to give a sign in reply. For
example, "If Charlie loves me let me see two ravens tomorrow." Roman Catholicism
tends to go for the latter kind. Catholics are always asking for signs from
saints. For example, they ask St Anthony to help them find things and they
believe that if he does that then he does it chiefly as an indication of his
kindly power and the effectiveness of invoking the saints.
If it is true that saints are only believed in for the
sake of the miracles they do, then saint worship is not about honouring decency.
Does a saint just exist for doing miracles? The Church has to say yes! The saint
does miracles but must be a miracle of holiness too! The Church says that only
God's grace, his miracle power to heal the heart of natural evil, makes saints.
GOD FORBIDS NECROMANCY
What could be wrong with necromancy when you want God to send a dead person to tell you things in your dreams? That is not bypassing God but honouring him, it would seem. But nevertheless the Bible - which he wrote according to the Christian faith - sternly forbids necromancy.
Necromancy is forbidden by God and is to be understood as
any attempt to make supernatural contact with a being that is not God. God said
we must love him with all our powers and all our heart and mind so if he has a
supernatural revelation for us he will appear in some form to us himself to keep
things direct and in homage to the commandment banning necromancy. Why not when
he can do it himself? Anything else would be spurious.
The Church says that to honour the saints is to honour God for it is God who has made them saints and the powers they have are his powers. The Hail Holy Queen prayer goes, "Hail Holy Queen, Mother of Mercy! Hail our life, our sweetness and our hope! To thee do we cry poor banished children of Eve; to thee do we send up our sighs, mourning and weeping in this vale of tears." Catholics pray to saints the same way they do to God. But they claim they are really honouring God in doing so for it is God who the prayers and honours are ultimately meant for. If that so, then why do even they frown on somebody who says that masses should be offered to the Blessed Virgin Mary or at least in her name? Why can't the Church say, "Mary, we offer you the body and blood of Jesus Christ sacrificed for our sins and we ask you to wash us in his precious blood." It can if this is just honouring the God who is in Mary. They know fine well that their excuse that honouring the saints is honouring God doesn't work.
Why the lies? The Church herself wants to engage in necromancy and adores it so much that she wants to enjoy it without getting the condemnation she deserves.
PURGATORY'S LINK TO NECROMANCY
The Church encourages you to address the saints as if they can see and hear you and are in the room with you. The Church says many people go to Purgatory for they are not fit to enter God's presence yet. And it calls them the holy souls and says you can pray to them too! If saint worship is not necromancy that certainly is!! The Church likes to say that those who are with God are through God in close contact with Catholics on earth for God is everywhere. But it cannot use that argument with praying to the holy souls. The holy souls cannot help themselves by praying for themselves so how can they help us? Christians hold that souls in Hell cannot pray for themselves or help themselves so you would understandably think that praying to the souls is just a cover for praying to those who have become demons in Hell.
The Catholic Church advises praying for the Holy Souls in Purgatory to get them out of there. They can't help themselves so if we pray to God he reduces their sentence. He does this for he likes being prayed to. He rewards us for the praying by doing what we want. Strange "reward" for it is getting the souls out of Purgatory or closer to release. The Church says that the souls do good works and suffer in Purgatory. Purgatory is a purifying punishment. The only kind of purifying punishment is when people suffer and sacrifice a lot to do good as punishment for their sin. The only kind of good the spirits in Purgatory can do is communicate with people to give them guidance and comfort them psychically. Purgatory is a necromantic doctrine.
If you honour God when you honour the saints, why can you
be seen to be possibly honouring the saints when you pray to God? Protestants
don't honour the saints directly but they believe they honour those saints in
Heaven who love God by honouring the God these saints adore so much. The saints
love God so much that they are pleased and delighted and indirectly honoured
when others adore him too.
Protestantism. To honour the saints is to honour God but
not by praying to them. To honour God is to honour the saints.
Roman Catholicism. To honour the saints is to honour God
through praying to them. To honour God is to honour the saints.
Two alternatives. It makes more sense to honour God
without praying to the saints for that honours the saints anyway. He is closer
to them than even they could ever be to him. God loves the saints more than the
saints could ever love him. He is better than them. He is more honoured by going
to him directly than by going to him indirectly through the saints. If you
honour the mother you go to her directly and you don't honour her baby in the
guise of honouring her.
GOD OF THE BIBLE FORBIDS NECROMANCY
The Bible gives strong and serious condemnations against necromancy. In Deuteronomy 18 it condemns those who consult ghosts, it says nothing about the future, and who seek oracles as necromancers and says that these people are an abomination in the sight of the Lord. Most people who consult ghosts prefer to do it without trying to hear voices and see the ghost. They want the ghost to put the answer in their minds for that is all that is needed anyway. But they are still calling up the dead and doing necromancy. They want the ghost to hear them and they seek help from the ghost.
Leviticus 20:27 says that mediums and fortune-tellers are
to be put to death on Godís orders by stoning and that they have nobody but
themselves to blame for their deaths. That is the way you would talk if somebody
attacked you to kill you and you killed them first. You would say they were to
blame for their death and nobody else because they forced you to defend yourself
by killing them. So psychics forced the Hebrews to kill them. We know they did
not for they donít do that much harm and the harm can be legally restricted but
God does not allow us to see this. If they force you to execute them and do it
cruelly by stoning it indicates that God must still regard it as a duty to
destroy them and not just destroy them but to give them a lingering death. Love
is the Law in both the Old and New Testaments which means it is not love to let
them live. They must be very dangerous indeed. The Catholic Church claims their
doctrines draw you into everlasting punishment in Hell so they would say that is
the reason for the severe condemnations and penalties.
In 1 Samuel 28, the Witch of Endor calls up the dead
prophet Samuelís ghost and she alone can see it and she gets a message from it
for King Saul. It is not said that she tried to force him to appear. It is not
said that he came against his will. She may just have asked him to appear and he
did. Mediums say they all do that. She didnít do anything different from a
Catholic who might call on a saint to show their presence by doing some good
work for them or perform some wonder.
So dealing with the dead is one of the most emphatically
and fanatically forbidden sins in the Bible. The sin is so hated by God that he
would not want us to do anything that might be necromantic such as praying to
the saints for we can live without praying to them.
The Bible at Romans 8:26 states that we are too weak to
know how to pray as we ought so the Holy Spirit intercedes for us to make up for
that. Praying to the saints undermines that idea totally. Its trying to ignore
the Spirit so as to get lesser beings to do the interceding. If you believe the
Spirit patches up what you do wrong in prayer, you will not invoke a saint. If
you pray to a saint, then is the Holy Spirit fixing the faults so that the
prayer will reach the saint perfected and persuasive? So the Holy Spirit then
virtually prays to saints too!
The Catholics deny that human nature is a sin nature or
that humans are sinful by nature which means the Bible teaching that they are
sinful by nature is being rejected and Catholicism cannot be considered a
genuine Christian Church. Those who do not see that they are sinners by nature
cannot be saved. They cannot be saved for they cannot bond with God for he is
pure goodness. This is the clear Bible teaching. It would mean that the Catholic
Church invoking the presence of the saints is invoking demons for the saints
seen sin in terms of actions and not in what it makes a person to be.
Praying to saints implies distrust in the Holy Spirit. It
is blasphemy. And the severe penalties for becoming chums with the dead show how
much God opposes it.
WHAT IS WRONG WITH NECROMANCY?
Why is God so severe in relation to necromancy? Why does he want the sin abhorred and its practitioners destroyed?
It is not because necromancy is trying to force the dead to do anything. Even the most devoted necromancer claims that the dead only help if they wish or allow themselves to be forced if they wish. No necromancer can risk being thought able to force the dead to appear for if he is a fraud he will soon be found out. It is better to take peoples' money and try to communicate with the dead and if nothing happens just say the dead didn't wish to speak or see the need to.
Necromancy is not about forcing in the proper sense. It is mad
to think that the necromancer is trying to make the dead appear whether they
want to or not. No necromancer says they can do that. They claim that the dead
speak if they want to. And if the dead donít want to they can still use psychic
power to tell the necromancer what he or she wants to know.
Catholics say the dead always want you to communicate
with them. The Roman Catholic Church claims to be the Church on earth, in
Purgatory and in Heaven so it is all one Church. It is not three parts of the
Church. The Church is one part only. This is the doctrine of the communion of
saints where all are united intimately. If the communion with Purgatory and
Heaven is necromantic then the Church is thoroughly necromantic.
God does not allow you to go to spirits rather than him for answers. But many necromancers claim that God has arranged things this way so it is not necessarily shutting him out. Catholics say that God likes us to use intermediaries. But maybe necromancy is condemned because God does not approve of what does not bring us straight to him without priests and without saints? God wants us to forget about intermediaries and to use them is to insult his will and is hidden idolatry for the messenger is more important than the message in a real sense. If God exists, he cannot be as important as the people you trust to relay his message and truth to them.
Religion and revelation transmitted second-hand are
idolatry by default.
It could be that only God can call up the dead not the
necromancer. But no necromancer believes that he calls the dead up without a
gift from God. Catholics also say that the saints cannot listen to you except by
the power of God. Necromancers who claim to use their own power still say that
God created that power and gave it to them. The problem cannot be that they are
trying to commune with the dead with their own power.
If necromancy involves trying to know the future there is
no harm in asking God to show you the future through a saint or whatever for it
is left up to him to decide if he should let you know.
It could be that only demons help the necromancers. There is no reason to think
this for necromancy need not be anti-God or cruel. And talking to demons need
only be a problem if you take them too seriously and do not check them out.
The only problem that God can have with necromancy is
that he wants people to go directly to him and it has God using intermediaries.
This means that praying to the saints or souls in Purgatory is necromancy.
We are horrified at the thought that God will send torment for all eternity on those who have died in serious sin. Many of the saints had a huge horror of sin that they grew ill if they saw somebody sinning and they regarded their own little flaws as huge dramatic evils. The Church argues that their example proves how horrible sin is and how it forces God to sent torment though he is infinite love. The theory is that it leaves God with no choice. Clearly the saints are really manifestations of evil and fanaticism and to engage with them is to deliberately consort with evil spirits. Nobody has the right to accuse somebody of being capable of forcing God to torment them forever. Do you want to become the image of a God or a saint who agrees with your friends and family possibly being salted with such torment forever? Love the sinner and hate the sin is useless if it cannot stop you agreeing that even your own mother should be tormented forever if she asks for it? Why bother when it makes you a tacit torturer?
SAINTS ARE GLORIFIED DEMONS
The Devil then was behind the apparitions of the saints
and of Jesus and answers the prayers made to the saints. Roman Catholicism is an
occult religion steeped in black magic for those who believe in the Devil and
see that saint-worship is incompatible with respect for God. Believers just run
after saints for the miracles saints supposedly do Ė they donít care if they are
doing Godís will or not. From a Christian point of view, Roman Catholicism has
no excuse for God says his Spirit will guide people out of such practices if
they want to listen to him. It is the successor to the sorcery system that was
once Babylon. God will reject it totally even though it prays to him because
this prayer is intended to get him to increase devotion to the faith including
the evil in it so the prayers are blasphemous.
THE BIBLE IS NECROMANTIC
The Roman Catholic Church says it adores Jesus as the Risen God and prays to saints because the Bible commands it and the Bible is the word of God. God and man wrote it together so it is fully human and fully divine. This doctrine actually demands that the authors become God and yet stay themselves to work which is magic and is totally contradictory. The Church wonít admit this though. The authors need psychic powers to write what God wants for the inspiration theory says they could write what they wanted and were not like typewriters. So when a necromantic book that claims an inspiration that blasphemes God commands saint worship and says Jesus rose and communicated after his demise it cannot want us to disapprove of these necromantic activities. It is being hypocritical if it forbids them.
The Catholic Church is an occultic religion. The Bible says that speaking to the dead and looking for their help is necromancy for only God should be approached for help. The Catholic Church prays to the dead. It seeks visions from the dead and asks them to do miracles if they are in Heaven so that it can canonise them as saints. The Church is provoking God for he says he will punish such sins severely and with hellfire forever.
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