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TOTAL DEPRAVITY

THE BIBLE TEACHES TOTAL DEPRAVITY

IGNORANCE AND TOTAL DEPRAVITY

TOTAL DEPRAVITY IN THE GOSPELS

TOTAL DEPRAVITY IN PAUL

ROMANS 7

DOES BIBLE CONTRADICT T.D.?

TOTAL INABILITY

TOTAL DEPRAVITY – ITS SINISTER IMPLICATIONS

CONCLUSION

 

TOTAL DEPRAVITY

 

A prophet or a religion that needs to pretend that people are completely bad is slinging mud against himself or itself in public for a person or group that indulges in that kind of wishful thinking is certainly evil for we know that we are not that terrible.

    And Bible Protestantism is just that kind of religion.

    Total depravity is the biblical and Protestant doctrine that the unsaved person can do nothing really good or deserving of salvation.  “The Bible teaches total depravity, and I believe in total depravity.  But that simply means that there is nothing good in man to earn or deserve salvation” (page 4, Why I Disagree with all Five Points of Calvinism).  One sin in your heart defiles all you do until you repent and are pardoned by God.  The saved are those who ask Jesus to save them and they are saved regardless of what they do after.  Only the saved can do real good.  This is the point made in Job 14:4 that says someone clean cannot come from someone unclean and the same holds true for works.

    The apostle Paul in the Bible says at 2 Corinthians 3:7 that when Moses received the ten commandments carved into two stone tablets from God that he received the ministry of death.  He means that God gave us the ten commandments on these tablets and these commandments minister death to us.  This is a clear denial of the Roman Catholic doctrine that the ten commandments do not give us death but life.  Paul meant they were death to us because we couldn't keep them. 

    Total depravity does not say that the unsaved will be like demons and kill and rape at every opportunity.  Some supporters of the doctrine suggest they would if it were not for God's power.  God exercises some influence on them to help them stop themselves from doing those things all the time.  He helps control their behaviour that way.  But that is only outward help.  In their hearts they yearn to do evil.  Total depravity states that people never ever do real good and even their so-called good works are malign and pleasing to Satan.  Total depravity also suggests that if people don’t behave like complete monsters it is for their own selfish reasons so they are complete devils inside.  For example, a person who would like to kill might not do it.  His not doing it is not done for a noble reason but out of selfishness – the fear of shame and punishment.  He does not refrain out of the love of God.  Calvin (page 95, The Institutes of Christian Religion) and Luther never taught that human beings were totally unrestrained in their actions but only in their hearts – only in what they wish they could do but dare not.  (Incidentally, this is a good argument against the occult and psychic powers for if people had them or believed they had them they would be trying to do terrible things with them.)

     The doctrine says we are rotten inside.  We only act good at times because there is something in it for us (meaning we only pretend to be good), or perhaps because God has had to do things to stop us being as bad as we can be.  Some believers accept both of these.  Others accept one of them.  If we are as evil as the doctrine says, clearly the only way God can stop us from becoming vileness incarnate is not by changing us from the inside but by forcing us from the outside.  We would be like people willing to murder but who cannot for fear of the law. 

    The doctrine says that each person cares mostly for himself and not for God which is sin.  This sin is the basic one from which all the others proceed.  The person has a bad attitude and wants to be independent of God and right and wrong and determine for himself what right and wrong are.  This attitude is at the root of sin therefore it makes no sense to agree with the Catholics that there are sins that do not imply a total rejection of God like venial sins and there are sins that do that are called mortal sins and which deserve the eternal hell unlike the former.  Why?  Because if the reason you commit a mortal sin is because you want to be independent of God then it follows that the attitude that brought the sin to birth is a mortal sin itself.  If you steal John’s sweet because you hate John’s guts that is a mortal sin though it does little harm to John – the attitude expressed in the sin makes it mortal.  When the attitude causes mortal sin it cannot cause venial for then all sin would be mortal for the attitude is seriously wrong.  To have the attitude is saying: “I accept this attitude though it will lead me to many sins even if it leads me to murder and apostasy”, so it is very seriously hostile to God.  It has to be mortal.  Total depravity means that eternal damnation is where you belong. 

   We know by experience that total depravity is true for we do not want to be ruled by God.  Yes we might like to be ruled by a God we make in our own image for he suits us but we don’t want any being telling us how to live.  Even when I undergo some sacrifice it is because I feel like doing it though there is another side that hates doing it.  I am still caring only for what I want.  This in essence is what the doctrine of total depravity is about, us exercising our self-will and having no reverence for the will of God.  Total depravity also implies that anybody who does not believe in it is simply a hypocrite who will not admit the truth.  It is impossible to see how Christians could consider Roman Catholics who deny total depravity to be Christians.  Roman Catholicism would then be a diabolical superstitious hoax that stands for a gospel that opposes the truth of total depravity and therefore opposes Jesus Christ.  Roman Catholicism would be refusing to accept Jesus as the way to God via his atonement for sin which he made in our stead and which is available only to those who deny salvation is by faith and good works but who hold that salvations is by faith alone not by good works.

  According to the doctrine of total depravity, the reason then people stay in Hell forever is because nobody can manage to live up to the moral law of God properly and it is because they cannot put things right that they need to suffer forever in Hell.

   For Rome to teach that not all sin deserves eternal punishment and that most sin is venial, sin that doesn’t deserve all that, is to teach that we can do without Jesus to some extent at least and many of us don’t need him at all.  For example, nine year olds would usually be too young to sin seriously for they are immature in mind meaning they can be saved without even believing in Jesus in any real way.

   It is commonly objected that it is impossible to be a sinner if you cannot stop sinning until God gives you the desire to stop for that implies that you are forced to sin.  The idea of being forced to sin is contradictory.  Suppose a person won’t repent of constant sin.  That person is trapping themselves in sin by their own freedom.  They just won’t repent until they feel like it which will be never for their sin will be a habit.  There is no contradiction.  If this seems ridiculous then remember that sin is in the will.  Killing a person is not sin if you don’t mean to do it.  If you mean it, it is murder.  And if you intend to kill but cannot the act of will that makes it murder is the same meaning that you are a murderer.  The Bible is right to say that a person who wants his neighbour dead is a murderer or the same as a murderer (1 John 3:15).  It is possible for the “holy” nun to be as wicked as the thieving whore who spreads venereal diseases.  It is possible for the kindly doctor to be as evil as Jack the Ripper inside.  They may not seem evil but seeming good is no proof that they are virtuous (Matthew 23:28).  James observed that the person who breaks one of the divine Laws breaks all of them (2:10).  To steal for example is to break the commandment against idolatry for it is putting a material thing before God and it is adultery for we are to behave as if we are married to God and it is murder for it is killing the relationship with God.  Wilfully wanting to sin is a sin and it is this sin that the Bible says we are committing the whole time.

   Christians believe that though God cannot do evil and can only do good he is still voluntarily and freely good so it is possible to be a sinner and incapable of good and still be to blame for your sin (The Institutes of Christian Religion, page 97).  They say God does good because of his boundless goodness and not because he is forced so we can do evil because of our boundless evil and not because we are forced.  It is certain then that belief in God opens up the way for total depravity to be true for it denies that inability to do something means you are not responsible for it.  Those who hold that belief in God is bad for humankind will have something else to go on.

    Calvinists say that God does not command what cannot be done in one way and does command what cannot be done in another.  We cannot do good without God’s help and we are responsible for we will not accept his help.  It would be immoral if God punished us for not being able to create the world when he did not give us the power to create.  But he has given us help to conquer sin and we will not take it.  A free person acts on the things he or she is aware of.  For example, if there are three options, A,B and C you can choose A and B freely if God stops you thinking of C so if A and B are sins you are still a sinner though you could not  think of C.  The Catholic Church holds that God cannot hold you accountable for sin when you cannot do good without his grace.  But it says that God’s main command is, “Do not sin at all and keep your life pure from sin from birth to death”.  Yet it says we cannot keep this commandment and are blamed when we break it.  They might as well believe in the Calvinist God.  It would be more honest if they admitted their God was the same unsavoury character as Calvin worshipped.   

    While it is true that Calvin and Luther did not hold that the good works of the unsaved person are sins they still believed that the works were destroyed by other sins so it was not the acts that were bad in themselves but the sin that polluted them (page 48, The Catholicity of Protestantism).  In other words, when an unsaved man tells the truth that is good but it is the attitude which is separate from the work but which is still the cause of it, “I have sins for which I am not sorry and I do this good deed because it suits me”, that creates the problem and is the reason the man deserves no praise.  So it is both a sin and not a sin.

    Bad or good the doctrine of total depravity is in the Bible.  We will see later which one of these it is.

   

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THE BIBLE TEACHES TOTAL DEPRAVITY

 

The Bible plainly teaches the total depravity doctrine that unsaved people are capable only of sin when it says that salvation is a gift from God.

    Jeremiah said that the heart is full of deceit and is wicked beyond belief (Jeremiah 17:9).  According to him you can be surprised at how wicked you are if you take a good look at yourself.

    The apostle John declared that if he or anybody else says that there is no sin in themselves they are wrong at 1 John 1:8.  Some say he is contradicting the notion that some people have that they have never sinned and is not thinking of people who claim to be freed from sin now and to be Catholic style saints.  But he included himself and he certainly believed that repentance put you right with God but not completely right.  The note on page 270 of the New American Bible says that the verse teaches that nobody can be completely free from sin.  

    David said that he was biased towards sin from his conception (Psalm 51:5).  If we really are biased then we will sin rather than do good most of the time.

    A number of times the Bible says that we are all sinful all the time unless we get saved (Job 15:15, 16; Job 25:4-6; Ecclesiastes 8:11, 9:3). 

    In Isaiah 64:6, the prophet says that we and all our right ways are filthy rags before God.  He says we so he included himself too.  And he would have lived like a holy man and he claimed to be totally evil.

    Jeremiah 13:23 says that a leopard cannot change its spots or an Ethiopian his skin just like the evil cannot do good.  Isn’t that a nice piece of cynicism from the God of the Jews and the Christians?  Jeremiah is saying they would pretend to be good but are not.

    The Book of Proverbs states that nobody can claim to be free from all sin (20:9).  It uses the present tense and tells me that I can’t say now or anytime that my heart is clean from sin.

    Paul at Titus 1:15,16 makes it clear that those who do not become proper Christians are to be considered to have nothing good at all in their minds or consciences and are worthless for any good work and are "detestable and loathsome". 

    The Bible says we all sin always (1 John 3:15) and that one sin is breaking every one of the commandments (James 2:10).  1 John 2:9-10 says that the man who hates his brother in Christ is in darkness and has his eyes blinded and doesn't see where he is going.  This implies that there is no light in him at all only darkness and evil.  Christians are not allowed to think of such a man as good in any way.  1 John 3:15 says that anybody who hates his brother is a murderer and eternal life dwells in no murderer's heart.  This means that simply hating somebody makes you as bad as a murderer inside and that no murderer will have eternal life so its a very serious sin.  This parallels Jesus' saying that whoever looks at a woman with desire commits adultery with her in his heart or thoughts as some translations put it (Matthew 5:28).  Neither verse indicates that they are thinking of people who are planning to do anything.  They are speaking of people who would murder and commit adultery if they got the chance and could get away with it.  Jesus sees the desire to have sex with a woman as adultery even if you or she are not married because for him fornication and adultery are the same sin under different names.  The sin he is against is sex outside marriage which can take the form of fornication or adultery.  So he can say that an unmarried pair having sex is still adultery.  He said that whoever divorces his wife forces her to commit adultery (Matthew 5:32).  The man can't say that his wife makes her own decisions once she leaves.  When he gives her a divorce he is trying to force her to commit adultery by giving her the freedom to wed again.  He sins in making an adulteress of her. If he does that just by divorcing her, then how much more is it a sin to simply think of having sex or to have sexual fantasies?

    If God exists then it is possible for him to keep us from sin at least sometimes.  If we have him then we will not sin because we will be so happy and will not want to spoil it.  So, if we could achieve perfection in this world and have ever done it, we would not be here.  We would be taken to Heaven lest we stain our white robes for as long as we cannot perceive God directly we can sin.  So the doctrine of God infers that we are never free from sin.  Our good works would be sins because a sinner cannot do real good.

 

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IGNORANCE AND TOTAL DEPRAVITY

 

One thing that could have stopped Calvinism and all religions which accepted total depravity from gaining greater popularity is the problem of people who are said to have been unsaved who cannot find anything bad on their consciences at times.  For the doctrine to be correct it is necessary that you sin always until you are saved.

    The Bible claims that if you cannot find a sin on your conscience you will find plenty of sins committed in ignorance.  For example, if you forget to send the poor money it is a sin or if you have not thought of attempting to convert a bad person it is a sin.  God told the Jews that he expected those who inadvertently committed a sin to repent of it and ask forgiveness for it turn him against them for they become guilty of sin (Leviticus 4,5).  God said a person who breaks his Law and does not know it is guilty and shall bear his sin (Leviticus 5:17).  Jesus sanctioned this frightening teaching even with his dying breath when he asked God to forgive those who crucified him because they did not know what they were doing (Luke 20:34).  In Acts we read that God did have to ignore the sins committed in ignorance for some purpose but now he expects everybody to repent (17:30).  In 1 Timothy 1, we read that God had mercy on Paul for persecuting the Church and cursing Christ because Paul did not know any better.  He was forgiven because he was foolish.  You are only forgiven by God if you have sinned.  So ignorance is a sin.  This is how Christians can accuse everybody of being wicked and even the greatest saint of being a sinner.  It is reasoned that since saying to a policeman that you didn’t know what the speed limit was won’t get you off it is the same with God.  Religion says that there is such a thing as culpable ignorance.  If you refuse to learn that something is wrong and then d it then your ignorance does not excuse you.  When sin is the supreme evil it follows that no excuse for not knowing is acceptable.

    It is naïve to reject this teaching on the grounds that ignorance means that you don’t know what you are doing when you do wrong so you cannot be to blame.  You know that neglecting or hesitating to educate yourself in right and wrong and to try and figure out what could go wrong in the day and the right way to handle it is wrong.  Ignorance could lead you to cause somebody’s death or some other awful disaster so by embracing it you are really saying that you don’t give a toss about anybody.  Your good works are mockeries in that case.  Also, anybody you care about is not really cared about – it is the feelings you have for them you are worried about and not them. 

    Even the anti-Calvinist tome, The Other Side of Calvinism, accepts the claim that ignorantly doing evil is sinful (page 100).

  

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TOTAL DEPRAVITY IN THE GOSPELS

 

Jesus regarded all people as being totally depraved.

     He taught that if your eye is evil then you will be full of the darkness of evil (Matthew 6:22).  This implies that you can have no good in you at all.  You can act good but you are still totally evil.

    A man came up to Jesus calling him good teacher.  Jesus said that nobody was good only God: “Why do you call me good for nobody is good but God?” (Mark 10:17,18).  Christians say that the man thought Jesus was a good man and Jesus was telling him that he could only be good if he was God.  If right their interpretation would mean that all are sinners and cannot stay out of it.  And the same interpretation holds true if Jesus was just telling him that his idea of good was wrong and that only God knows what good is and lives that goodness.

  The man called Jesus a good teacher.  Yet Jesus rejected this.  It was not flattery for Jesus was famous as a teacher. The man meant it.  Jesus just didn’t like being called good by anybody human for he thought that humans have an unclear idea of what good is and don’t understand real goodness as represented by almighty God.  He thought humans were too sinful to have a clue about what it meant to worship God as good.

   There are other interpretations but they don’t fit the Christian faith.  For example, we could hold that Jesus rejected the compliment for he was a sinner like everybody else.  Some say Jesus only meant that the man was flattering him and didn’t mean it which was why he rejected the compliment.  But there is no hint of that in the text.  You don’t say, “Why do you call me good for nobody is good but God?” to somebody that is flattering you.  You say, “You flatter me.”  And besides the man asked him about how to inherit everlasting life and Jesus answered him thus acknowledging him as sincere not as a flatterer. 

    A slave is a person who is forced to work for nothing.  Jesus said that anybody who sins is a slave to sin (John 8:34).  Then he promised to free anybody who was a slave and who wanted to be free.  This implies that you cannot free yourself from sin and that you need him to shatter the chains.  In other words, he was testifying to total depravity.

    Jesus said that it was easier for a camel to pass through the eye of needle than for a rich man to enter God’s kingdom.  He claimed that with man entry is impossible but not with God.  So God must change the rich man’s desires to save him.  The rich man is too bad to want the happiness of Heaven enough to turn to God without God’s help.  That is extreme badness meaning that the man couldn’t deserve anything else but everlasting punishing in Hell showing Jesus certainly taught an everlasting Hell.  The rich man could see to it that he will have entry into the kingdom when he is dying for he is going to lose all he has anyway.  Jesus says no – it’s still impossible.  The rich man must be totally depraved and only God can get him out of that state.  The reason then people stay in Hell forever is because nobody can manage to live up to the moral law of God properly and it is because they cannot put things right that they need to suffer forever in Hell.  Salvation is declared to be difficult and sincerity is obviously declared to be insufficient for eternal salvation for you could sincerely believe there is no sin in being rich.  Also, the problem Christ has with being rich is that the rich person will prefer the riches to God and one can be poor and still prefer something that is not God to God so they are in the same mess as the rich.

   Luke 16 has Jesus saying that whoever can be trusted in tiny things can be trusted in bigger and whoever cannot be trusted in tiny cannot be trusted in bigger.  He said whoever is dishonest in tiny things will also be dishonest in bigger things.  He said that if you cannot be trusted in earthly riches nobody will trust you with heavenly riches.  He said that if you cannot be trusted with somebody else’s property nobody will give you property of your own (verses 10-12).  The Bible says we all fall in little things (James 3:2).   Jesus made the law of Moses even tougher – wilful desires or temptations are declared to be sinful which means there has to be a lot of sinning every day.   Jesus said our failures however small mean we cannot be trusted and if we cannot be trusted then we are totally depraved.

    Christ told the Pharisees and scribes that they were literally nothing but hypocrites (Matthew 23:5), they wanted everybody to be eternally lost (Matthew 23:14,15), they were blind – don’t see at all (Matthew 23:19) and they were full of greed and badness (Matthew 23:25-28).  If they were full of wickedness then there was no good in them at all.  Some would say a person is full of themselves without meaning that they are really full of arrogance and pride.  But it is wrong to exaggerate like that and it is abusive.  The Christian has to take Jesus literally.  Jesus did not talk as if he meant some of the Jewish leaders.  The ones he had for acquaintances like Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus were not said to be good or to be exceptions.  If the Jewish leaders were all bad despite all the spiritual training they got and all the unpleasant things ministers have to accept as part of their calling then the laypersons must have been worse not better.

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TOTAL DEPRAVITY IN PAUL

 

The doctrine of human inability to love God without divine assistance comes out most clearly in Paul.

    The third chapter of Romans declares that there is not even a single righteous person, that nobody understands that they should love God alone and that nobody is truthful or honest.  Even the good they do is dishonest and a lie for it is a mask.  They are full of cursing and bitterness.  Their kind words are bitter curses.  For example, to praise one person while denigrating another in your heart is to really insult the one you praise for it is unjust discrimination and is asking her or him to approve.  A person can claim to fear God and not do it right.  A person who lives well out of fear of retribution is one who wants to sin and wills sin but who avoids it because of selfish fear.  The chapter emphasises that all means literally all.  No one can argue that the alls are not literal on the grounds that all do not curse or lie or whatever for it is done internally when it is not obvious.  The passage certainly teaches the total depravity of humanity because it mentions no exceptions and plainly says it means all.

    Paul said that none of the Jews were able to be put right with God by keeping God’s Law because they could not observe it fully (Romans 3).  If they were not totally depraved they would have been able to fulfil it at least for short periods.  But when Paul said that God had to give another way of salvation, the way of faith, to do what Law keeping could not we know that according to him they were never holy.

    The Jews were the one true religion according to the Bible and the Gentiles were all non-Jews.

    Paul said that there was no distinction or difference between the two groups for they were “all sinful” – he then said that not one person was good showing he meant all individuals.  The heathens who murdered and raped and left babies exposed on hillsides to die of cold were not more evil than the Jews who did not.  He listed the sins.  He said that their mouths were full of curses.  If we adhere to sin then our sweet words are really bitter curses for they are not said out of goodness but out of a spiteful desire to gain human adulation.

   Romans 3 quotes Psalm 14 in part.  We cite it in full and have underlined the parts he cites. 

 

           The fool says in his heart that there is no God.  They are corrupt and they do terrible things and there is no one that does good.  The Lord looks down from Heaven to see if there are any that act wisely among the children of men.  To see if there are any that seek God.  But they have all gone astray and they are all corrupt the sameThere is not one that does good - not a single one.  Do they know nothing at all all those evildoers who eat up my people as they eat bread and do not call upon the Lord?  There they shall be in great terror for God is with the righteous generation.  You would ruin the plans of the poor but the poor have refuge in the Lord.  O that deliverance for Israel would come out of Zion!  Israel shall be gladdened and Jacob shall find joy when the Lord restores the fortunes of his people."

 

  It is said that Paul has misread this Psalm.  The Psalm is said to have two groups in mind.  One group is the fool, corrupt and evil.  The other is the righteous, Israel and poor.  The Psalm is said to promise that the righteous will be delivered not the wicked whereas Paul thought that the wicked would be delivered from sin.  The point of him looking for quotes to say that all on earth were bad was so to be able to say that God would save sinners.  He was saying the opposite of the Psalm.  He used the quotes to argue that Jews and Gentiles were just as bad as one another and there was no difference in their sinfulness and need for salvation (Romans 3:9).  So it seems Paul distorted the Psalm.  He knew the Old Testament too well for it to have been a mistake.

  If Paul distorted a Psalm that denies that all are necessarily sinful to cherry pick it to get an out of context statement to make it say the opposite then he clearly did believe that there was no such thing as a good person on earth.  The righteous in the Psalm would mean people who did sin but who were repentant and who were now reformed and good.  But Paul doesn't want to see that at all.  He did teach total depravity.

  It might be argued that Paul was a prophet and so was giving the correct meaning of the Psalm before the Psalm was corrupted by Jewish copyists.  This safeguards his infallibility and his integrity.

   It might be argued that the righteous poor in the Psalm are hypothetical.  In that case, the Psalmist is not saying there really are righteous people but saying what would happen if there were!  This is what Christians would have to believe.

 

   Paul said that one time his Ephesian Christians were dead in their transgression (Ephesians 2:1).  Dead means separated from God (Luke 15:32).  The one means that they did not flit to and from death to life.  To be dead in sin is to be dead to good and unable to do it.  These were adult converts so he is not talking about them just being useless and dead until they were baptised as babies or anything.  They did nothing but sin until they converted to Jesus.  Then he calls this a result of their sinful nature (2:3).  Your nature is what makes you what you are.  If you have a sinful nature then all you are capable of is displeasing God.

   

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ROMANS 7

 

Paul examined his heart and inside it he claimed that he found was nothing good in it.  “I know that nothing good dwells within me, that is, in my flesh.  I can will what is right, but I cannot perform it.  [I have the intention and urge to do what is right, but no power to carry it out]” (Romans 7:18).  He knew what sin was and tried to refrain from it but always ended up doing that which he detested.  “I find it to be a Law (a rule of action of my being) that when I want to do what is right and good, evil is ever present with me and I am subject to its insistent demands" (Romans 7:21).  This is not just saying that his evil urges are always with him because he makes a distinction between evil and its demands or urges.  Evil here is sin.  Sin cannot be always with you unless you are giving in to it all the time.  This is a clear statement of the doctrine of total depravity.  He may have acquired this pessimistic doctrine of human badness from Genesis where God complains that human beings were continually evil and their imaginations full of evil at the time of the flood (Genesis 6:5; 8:21). 

  This material is one of the main reasons why justification by faith despite sin as long as some good works were done because of faith and not to earn salvation was accepted by the reformers.  It says we are too bad to be able to contribute anything to our salvation and so the work has to be all done by God for us.

    The Catholic Church falsely claims that this was based on the mistaken assumption that Paul meant that the justified Christian who had been saved by faith was still entirely sinful and depraved and fit only for eternal seclusion from God so God has to pretend the sinner is righteous in order to be able to let him into Heaven (page 227, Reasons for Hope). 

   The Church lies because Paul uses the present tense all the time.  The Church cannot admit that total depravity is taught in the Bible for the Church denies the Protestant doctrine that man is so bad that only if a saviour does all the work for him that he can get into Heaven.  It is like somebody paying a fine for you which is credited to your account and you are made right with the law of the land though you did nothing for yourself. 

   The reformers interpretation followed that of none other than the great St Augustine himself (who adopted it in later life) proving that he must have believed in salvation by faith alone in the reformation sense (ibid, page 227).  Read the chapter and you will see that Paul writes in it of himself as an example of what the rest of us are like in the present tense.  The Catholic idea that he meant himself before conversion is false and is an attempt to avoid admitting that Paul did not believe that justification actually made you righteous but only declared you righteous. 

    Paul said that the Law provokes evil passions in us but now we are delivered from them (v5).  This is supposed to support the Catholic view that he meant he was saved from them now and was saying he was depraved before that.  But he only says that we are free to do good but he never said we would do much of it or any of it.  We are delivered from our evil feelings and desires in the sense that we don’t have to follow them anymore. But being a Christian doesn’t mean we cannot sin. 

   Later he cries for somebody to deliver him from his body of death that leads him to inability to do good and then he thanks Jesus as if Jesus delivered him (v 24,25) which is supposed to prove that he was on about when he was unsaved before and wanted deliverance from the body of death.   

   He said that the sinner who is a slave of sin is not the sinner but the sin in him is because it makes the sinner sin when he or she doesn’t want to (verse 20).  Sin for Paul is not necessarily an free act of evil but a power that resides in the person and makes God consider the person unrighteous and unworthy of Heaven.  This power makes all your good works bad too for they are not done in a state of purity.  But if you are saved it puts good power in you so that your good works are really good.  That was how Paul was able to describe the good works of unsaved people as bad but he would have still told them to carry them out.  After all the sick still had to be looked after and so on even if in doing so you were preferring good as you want it not as God wants it.  So after being saved the works are known as really good works good in their results and in the sight of God too.  So the same work when done by an unsaved is bad but when done by a saved is good.

  The two powers, the sin power and the genuine good works power, both co-exist in the saved person. 

   Elsewhere Paul says that Jesus saved us from sin and death meaning that though we will still sin and die Jesus has done something about them that will not take effect until after they happen.  He ends with saying he is a slave to God’s Law but that his sinful nature is a slave to the Law of sin (v25).  The Catholics say that this proves that he was talking in the chapter about his unsaved and pre-Christian life for he said he was not a slave to the Law or to sin anymore and that his sinful nature had been changed to a holy nature that makes him a slave to God. 

   He said he was a slave to the Law and to sin in his sinful nature and also a slave to God’s law in his mind (verse 25).

    Then immediately after, he says that because of this fact, he uses the word therefore, there is no condemnation for those who are in Jesus Christ immediately. So where does the therefore come in?  It can only mean that because Paul is still a slave to the Law of sin and a slave to sin God cannot condemn him. 

  But you wouldn’t say that because somebody is a sinner they are regarded as right with God?

  True if you think people have to be really righteous to be saved.  But if you believe that God just regards them as holy though they are not all because Jesus paid the price for their sins you would.  Paul taught the reformation doctrine of justification by faith alone as understood by Luther and Calvin.  No wonder Christianity took off with such a lazy doctrine.  There is not a single hint that Paul meant what the Catholics say.  He taught the Protestant doctrine that the only thing you can contribute towards your salvation is your sins and you give them to Jesus to atone them.

   Only those who have been saved are real slaves to the Law in the sense that they obey it vicariously through Jesus (that is Jesus’ obedience to it is paid to your account).

    Paul said that he was sold to sin (Romans 7:14).  Sin owned him and held him captive so he did not do any real good.

  Romans 7 unmistakably teaches total depravity.

 

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DOES BIBLE CONTRADICT T.D.?

 

Are those Christians who claim to find texts that challenge the doctrine of total depravity right?

    Jesus said in the Sermon on the Mount that we being evil still know how to do good.  Does this deny that we are naturally only evil for it was spoken to people who were not Christians or saved and who were evil?  But every sin is good in a sense.  It is a warped sense of the good.  When you rebel it is because you want something good.  The Jews would have known that Jesus did not mean righteous good for their own scriptures and reason said that a person who harbours a sin cannot please God no matter how much good he does (Isaiah 64:6; Psalm 39:5; Job 14:4).  If I help a sick person and in my heart I will the act not to please God I am doing good but not in my heart.

    In Acts 10 we read about Cornelius who is praised in this book as a just man who served God.  He is supposed to be proof that the unsaved can do good.  It is taken for granted that Cornelius was not saved because when Peter preached the Spirit came down on the listeners and they were baptized in water.  But Peter told Cornelius that he knew he knew about Jesus and the gospel.  The Spirit coming down sometimes means the Spirit you already have giving you a new grace.  Christians believing they have the Spirit still ask for him to fall afresh on them.  So the notion that Cornelius contradicts total depravity is just reading into the Bible what is not there.

    Acts 17:30 says that God commands all to repent which is supposed to prove that all men can repent and turn to God for God doesn’t command the impossible.  But God commands all to repent and live more harmless lives but this repentance could include the type that wins forgiveness from him and that which does not.  Plus the doctrine of total depravity says we can do good but we necessarily do evil and it denies that we are forced to be evil so God can call the world to repent because the only thing that is stopping them is the evil they keep on doing and won’t stop doing until God gets them to see the light.

 

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TOTAL INABILITY

 

Calvinists believe in more than just total depravity.  They mean that the sinner is so hostile to God that he cannot accept God’s salvation.  Many get the wrong idea when they see cannot here.  It is cannot in the sense that a stubborn person cannot give in.  We can call this total inability.  Calvinists themselves often get confused about what it means and one comes away with the false impression that they do not believe in free will.  When a person thinks only of doing bad for a while that person has become unable to be good because he or she cannot think of doing good for as long.  In a way, that person has no free will anymore but is still responsible for her or his evil actions.  Calvinists affirm that the unsaved are all the same way.

    It is sad that total inability is called total depravity for they are two separate things.  A person can be able to repent and be totally depraved or not able to repent and totally depraved.  In other words, a wholly evil person can be unable to repent because of being too busy sinning to think of it and a wholly evil person can be able to repent because of being aware of the need to do it.

    Calvinists seem to deny that we act voluntarily but if Calvinists used more illustrations or parables like I use their doctrine would be understood and accepted better.

    “Calvinism teaches that men make choices according to their own desires.  They are not “determined” by God like puppets on a string” (page 194, All One Body).  Determinism is the doctrine that we have no free will but are programmed exactly like machines.  Luther taught “that even the faith by which a man believes is God-given.  Of course, man’s will is involved in salvation, but it is God acting on the will that causes the man to seek God.  Therefore a person is saved not because he had of himself the desire or ability to believe but because God chose him and acted on his will to bring him to faith.  For Luther, salvation was wholly of the Lord” (page 168, All One BodyWhy Don’t We Agree?).  Luther and Calvin agreed on predestination though Luther was a bit too extreme at times.  But this is the same as what Calvin taught about how a man gets saving faith or faith that destines him for Heaven.  “When the unregenerate man sins, he does so freely, as a free agent, and in accordance with his own wishes; and it is this which makes him responsible” (page 40, 41).  The Calvinist book, The Grace of God in the Gospel says, “A sinful nature imposes a moral inability as inflexible as prison bars, yet the sinner is responsible to do that which his own fallen nature renders impossible” (page 40).  While Calvinists say that we are not controlled by God like puppets on a string we are controlled by the manipulation of our free will.  There is a huge difference.

    The teaching that a sinner is totally against the Lord God is said to be contradicted by the notion that he or she can repent but won’t and never does and won’t until God attracts her or him with irresistible grace.  It is assumed that if a person can turn to God then he or she is not totally unable even if she or he will never repent.  This is wrong because evil is the wrong kind of good.  They are depraved because they won’t avail of the power they have.  They make it a sin to have it and not use it.

    In Romans 3 we read that all people are unrighteous and none seek after God.  This does not prove total inability because they may just freely choose not to seek God.  But it makes it very likely that they have total inability.  If a class sits a maths exam and all fail time and time again it is nearly absolute proof that they cannot do maths.

    It is argued that since the Bible says we are dead in sin (Ephesians 2:1) and that since a dead person cannot do anything it follows that we are totally dependent on God.  But that analogy may not be meant.  Even the saved person is called dead (Romans 6:2; Colossians 3:3).  A dead person does not have the life of God in him so a living person estranged from God can be said to be spiritually dead – without God’s life.  It is not said that he or she is like a dead person in all respects.  But you could be dead in sin and useless in yourself and still be alive and useful because of the work Jesus did for you as if he were you so that you could earn salvation through him.  You can be totally depraved and still saved at the same time but only if a substitute pays for your sins and your depravity in your place.

    According to the Bible, we are in bondage to sin (eg.  John 8:34).  Sin has taken away our freedom.  Arminians and Romanists contend that this just means that we are only free when we are good.  That is mistaken because sin can be freedom and no two people agree on exactly what is sinful.  It is how it makes us feel that determines if sin is freedom or not.  The slave who wants to be a slave is not really a slave.  The Bible must and can only meant that we are unable to repent when we are in sin.  This means we are totally unable to repent and turn to God – he has to throw us the water wings to stop us from drowning.

    The argument that since getting saved is becoming born again (see John 3) and you cannot help being born it follows that you cannot help being saved is dreadful.  It denies the Calvinist teaching that God enables you to choose his salvation for there is no choice in this.  In natural birth, a baby who knows nothing is born but it is need not be the same in the new birth which refers to adults.

    In Mark 4 Jesus claims that God hid the understanding of the good news from some people to prevent them from being forgiven.  This does not prove total inability for we could be talking about mere influence here and not God causing disbelief directly.  Anti-Calvinists would say that when God needed to hide the understanding they must not have had total inability.  They fail to understand that total inability does not deny free will but works with it.

   1 Corinthians 2:13 says that Christians understand the message or the things of God.

   1 Corinthians 2:14 says that the natural or unsaved or unspiritual person cannot receive or know the things of God, the gospel.  Is this saying that we are unable to turn to Jesus in the Calvinistic sense in which you cannot turn to God unless he gives you the power to do it?  (This would mean that you will not become a Christian except when God decrees it or predestines it and many are never predestined.)  Or is it saying that the natural man has the grace to do it but resists it?

  The verse before says that God so Paul is creating a contrast.  There are only two groups so there are no natural men who do understand.  Only the saved understand so Paul is indeed saying that only the predestined get the grace to repent and they cannot resist it.  The unspiritual person cannot comprehend the things of the Lord because she or he is sinful.  If she repents she will be able to receive the word but this is silly for that would mean she believed before she could believe.  This makes it more likely that the Calvinistic understanding is correct.  We are talking about the writings of a man who experienced salvation and would have known what he was talking about.

  He doesn’t say that the natural person sometimes understands the things of God but won’t follow them.  He says there is no light in them at all that comes from God.  This is total depravity.

    In John 6, Jesus says that no man can come to him unless God draws him.  Nobody can come to God unless he helps them to.  This certainly teaches that you cannot earn salvation or come to God without God making the first move.  If God inspires you to believe it means you know that the gospel is true before you accept his gift of supernatural faith.  The Christian faith says that if you have natural faith in God and in Christ it is no good.  You need faith that is inspired by God and caused supernaturally to be able to go to Heaven.  So the natural belief should be transmuted into supernatural faith.  So God inspires you to accept supernatural faith.  But your good works are no good.  No matter how good you are, you will not be accepted into Heaven unless you turn to God in faith. 

    In Acts 13:48, we read that those who were destined to eternal life believed.  Calvinists say that all who are destined or chosen for eternal life believe because of God’s irresistible grace.  Arminians say that you are not destined to salvation unless you receive Jesus into your heart so you do not believe because you are destined but are destined because you believe.  The verse says you believe because you are destined.

    Total inability implies that one is totally depraved and the other four points of Calvinism.  God causes total inability for he is all-powerful and can get a person to act any given way by interfering with his or her thought patterns.  Those who abhor the doctrines of total inability and inherent depravity should know that thoughts cause free will if they have got it and not vice versa.  You can never make a decision without some thought causing it.  We cannot help our thoughts and even changing them is caused by a thought we did not ask for or which we couldn’t force to come for many thoughts won’t come to us though we try to get them.  So if anybody sins it is God that ordained the sin and caused it.   

   Calvin reiterated the Bible teaching that you have to look into the face of God to see what God is and then look at yourself as an essential part of seeking God and God cannot be sought with sincerity unless you despair of yourself as a result of what you have learned about your sinful tendencies and their extent (Book 1, chapter 1, The Institutes of Christian Religion).  This implies that Roman Catholics who do not believe in despair are heretics and dangerous to the gospel.  It implies that there is no hope of a better way of living unless you believe in God and that attitude is totally out of line in these days of acceptance and pluralism.

 

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TOTAL DEPRAVITY – ITS SINISTER IMPLICATIONS

 

What are the implications if the doctrine of total depravity is true?

     The doctrine of total sinfulness implies that we cannot be saved unless God does something for us, unless he tries to pull us out of the cesspool.  He has to forgive us and to make us able to do good works.  It does not mean that the only way of salvation is by something suffering for our sins to expiate them in our place for this teaching means there is no forgiveness at all.

    Believers in the Bible teach that one must be convicted of being incapable of doing anything to earn God's favour.  It follows that our depravity should be stressed to us by believers if we are not one of them.  If we get upset that is our problem for we don't want to know the truth about ourselves.  We need the conviction because it is according to the Bible, the thing that makes us feel like total dirt and willing to turn to God to save us by faith alone.  Every moment we feel self-esteem that is when our sinful nature endangers our salvation by making us feel in less need of it.  We can't expect forgiveness from them for the wrong we do for it would be wrong to expect them to forgive what God still has against us. 

    If human beings are so evil and cunning and prefer evil then how do we know that the saved person is not an evil person tricking us?  If total depravity is true then the apostles were more likely to be lying about Jesus and his return from the grave than telling the truth.  If sinners are so bad that they would prefer to go to Hell forever than not sin then the apostles could have willingly died for their lies.  Theologians say that they could not have been lying because no sinner would invent a religion that is so good and severe on sin.  They would if it was meant not to be practiced but for hypocrisy and to dishearten those who believed that virtue was possible.  Evil people need to preach good religion so that people will know what sin is and become as evil as they are.  The doctrine of total depravity means that by no stretch of the imagination could the faith of Christians be reasonable faith.  It is sheer guesswork.  Believers of a different kind would see it as idolatry.  If there is a God then we must believe what he says not what people say about him, but if we believe the apostles we are trusting that they were delivered from total depravity without any evidence and on that basis agreeing with their religious doctrine.  We are putting a guess before God’s revelation if he has made one.  The apostles are our real gods.  How terrible it is to preach a faith that has no evidence, because faith demands suffering and dedication and commitment.

    And if human beings are so terrible we dare trust nobody.  The person who does not seem to be stealing from us is only the person who has not got the chance or the nerve to do it or has just not got caught.  Should we assume that people around us are saved from their sinfulness to be on the safe side?  But we are only assuming and there is no comfort or security in that unless there is something wrong with us.  And it is wrong to assume the best when the worst is more likely.

  It is easier to be happy to be a person who can do nothing to please God when you do good works and insult him by these works.  The works are making you happy and charming and reluctant to do good according to his requirements which are that you must be washed of your sins and do them by his grace before he will accept them. Your works are advertising your brand of defiance of God and making it more desirable and attractive to others.  It follows then that it is better to be openly hateful and evil.  It does the divine cause less harm.

    The total depravity doctrine slanders the entire human race.  We all know that it is impossible for us to sin all the time.  It is impossible to sin when you are distracted from morality or religion.  The person who denies free will or the possibly of wrongdoing cannot sin.  The person who believes in sin but who denies that we do it all the time when we are unsaved is branded a liar.  If true the doctrine proves the world’s biggest religions to be swindles.  The Bible denies that baptism in water ends total depravity so the Bible is telling us that the Catholic Church which officially and infallibly scorns the doctrine of total depravity and holds that the unregenerate person can do real good (though not good that God likes or rewards) is being fraudulent.  He or she knows fine well that he or she is entirely godless if he or she is because you cannot sin without knowing it.

    If you believe in the Bible then you have to be as evil as you can manage – inside your heart if you cannot manage to be totally evil outside - before you can accept the salvation it offers in order to subscribe to the total depravity doctrine.  Telling prospective believers that they must be totally evil for they cannot be saved until they see that they are which they refer to as the Holy Spirit convicting you of sin.  They are telling you to be evil to preserve the integrity of the Bible.

    The Catholic Church claims, and refutes the sincerity of its sermons against sectarianism, that the unsaved can do good works but these works are not pleasing to God though it says they are not sinful which is an improvement on total depravity.  It is a milder form of the total depravity idea.  Good works only merit a divine reward and please God when they are done with his help and grace.  The Church alleges that until original sin is removed to make you a child of God in the sacrament of baptism you cannot merit anything from God because the Bible says that there is no merit until Jesus saves.  But if God turns up his nose at the good works of those who are unbaptised and they are good then God is evil and unjust.  The people are doing their best.  A God who insults sincerity is truly malignant.  If he is not then total depravity is true and the good works are really hidden sins.  The doctrine of total depravity and the Catholic modified version are both very hurtful and grossly politically incorrect.  How can the Church be an effective voice against racism with that sectarianism?  The Church can’t want to be as long as it maintains that God is good for giving babies the grace of salvation in baptism though they have done neither good or bad and then refusing it to good men and women and children just because they never got a sprinkle.  How unfair this is!

  Original sin is in essence my self-will.  It is the desire to get my own way and not God’s.  But that never goes away because anything I do I know I do it to satisfy some urge in me.  Even if I dash to the vet with my neighbour’s sick dog I am doing it because I like to.  I like it enough to do it even if say and feel I hate doing it.  I am not doing it for God but for my feelings.  I am like this all the time so baptism is just a rip off because it does not forgive original sin.  It is still there as strong as ever.  Moreover, the more good I do the further I am away from  God’s will for then it is harder to see that I am motivated by good my way and not his way.  The person who does good with a godless motive is nearly impossible to convert to God unlike the openly defiant sinner who sees her or his blackness in all its infernal grandeur.  It is my perception of good I care about not his rules.  Christian parents are only wasting their time and are being foolish if they think some water on their baby is going to help it and the world.  All it does is start the child on a regime that grooms it for self-deception with all the harm that follows.  What the Church calls original sin, Humanism calls potential and actualised self-esteem and proper self-esteem is the root of all human goodness so the doctrine of original sin is totally destructive and any believer that escapes this destruction escapes in so far as he or she accepts his or her right to be his or her own God.  Self-will or original sin permeates all my thoughts and feelings and actions therefore the doctrine of total depravity is true assuming self-will is depravity.  But it is undeniable that we are wholly anti-god.  The Protestants have to believe that the Roman Church knows that total depravity is true and still it denies it so they would have to see it as a lying cult that blesses sin by pretending not to notice it.

    What kind of person would look at a child in a cot that is not baptised and then genuinely love a God who excludes that child and asks you not to want that child in Heaven with you until it is baptised?  Why Christianity that says this thing is so popular is a mystery that warns us to pay no heed to anybody who says there is evidence for the resurrection and all that other stuff for many Christians are habitually unreasonable.

    The Church says we must love the sinner but hate the sin.  The Bible counsels that even when we are saved we are still frail creatures and the remains of the former depravity are still in us especially in the early years after being saved.  So, assuming its possible, how then can we love the sinner and hate the sin which requires a very advanced level in spirituality and sanctification?  Very few Christians behave anything like saints.  So born-again Christians are being sanctimonious for they cannot really love sinners and enjoy thinking they belong to the elite circle of the saved.

   There is nothing to love in a sinner so how could you love them?  How could they feel loved by a person who sees no good in them so what good would the love do them?

    Total depravity is an evil doctrine that is inferred by Catholicism and openly preached by the Bible’s religion.  It is a misanthropist’s piece of wishful thinking.  It is the cynic’s dream.  It is the thrill of the masochist and the sadist who enjoys degrading his or her fellow person.

   To us it is a reason for getting the Law to ban the Bible and pulpit pounding preaching that incites to hatred.

  Total depravity teaches that we willingly sin and make ourselves depraved and we cannot escape from this in the sense that it is a bad habit we don’t want to break.  It teaches we necessarily sin but we don’t coercively sin (page 97, The Institutes of Christian Religion).  This means then that salvation is a reward for sinning because it involves God making us righteous not in ourselves but by imputation.  It would be different if we were forced to sin but when you sin freely and God does that he is clearly rewarding your sin.  The claim that Jesus paid for the sin and so it is not rewarded is just a cop-out.  It is like a reward to the sinner therefore it is a reward and is as bad as a reward. 

 

CONCLUSION

The Bible God and Jesus are totally negative about the value of human goodness, it says it is really just disguised opposition to real goodness and to God.  Thanks and appreciation and optimism are condemned as sinful. 

 

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WORKS CONSULTED

 

A Catechism of Christian Doctrine, Catholic Truth Society, London, 1985 

A Summary of Christian Doctrine, Louis Berkhof, The Banner of Truth Trust, London, 1971 

A Withering Branch, Joseph H Harley, John English and Co, Wexford, 1956 

All One Body – Why Don’t We Agree? Erwin W Lutzer, Tyndale, Illinois, 1989  

An Examination of Tulip, Robert L Sumner, Biblical Evangelism Press, Indiana. 1972 

Apologia Pro Vita Sua, John Henry Newman, JN Dent & Sons Ltd, London, 1955 

Born Fundamentalist, Born Again Catholic, David B Currie, Ignatius Press, San Francisco, 1996

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Christian Answers About Doctrine, John Eddison, Scripture Union, London, 1973 

Doubt The Consequences Cause and Cure, Curtis Hutson Sword of the Lord, Murfreesboro, Tennessee, 1983 

Eight Gospel Absurdities if a Born-Again Soul Ever Loses Salvation John R Rice Sword of the Lord, Murfreesboro, Tennessee, 1946 

Encyclopaedia of Bible Difficulties, Gleason W Archer, Zondervan, Grand Rapids, Michigan, 1982 

Four Great Heresies, John R Rice, Sword of the Lord, Murfreesboro, Tennessee, 1975 

Heresies and How to Avoid Them, Editors Ben Quash and Michael Ward, SPCK, London, 2007

How to be a Christian without Being Religious, Fritz Ridenour, Regal Books, California, 1970 

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Is it necessary for you to be baptised to be saved? Hoyt H Houchen, Guardian of Truth, Bowling Green, Kentucky 

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Radio Replies, Vol 1, Frs Rumble and Carty, Radio Replies Press, St Paul Minnesota, 1938  

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The Institutes of the Christian Religion, John Calvin, Hodder and Stoughton, London,1986   

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Unitarian Christianity and Other Essays, William Ellery Channing The Bobs-Merrill Company Inc, Kansas, 1957  

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Why I Disagree with All Five Points of Calvinism, Curtis Hutson, Sword of the Lord, Murfreesboro, Tennessee, 1980  

 

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